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your right they dont but you just watch and see how many others follow quebec at th end of the day its all about new ways to get more money..

and people ask me why i dont have my pal yet , same answer as always to much BS involved big brother sticks his face where it dont belong in the first place. and its a money scam as if there is already not to many scams for the government to take our hard earned weak a** dollard away from us that much more,

its not the public thats rich its all the jerks in office that are rich cause they have over 60 % of our money to lace there pockets with, waste money like its water make us follow rules that they them selfs feel they dont have to...
they then put all of our private info on the internet for any hacker to get their hands on and say your ID is secure ,, what a joke not such thing as security never has been never will.

sorry had to rant pisses me off to no end ..soon they will start charging us for the air we breath hasent happen yet cause they have not yet fiquired out a way to do it. give them time tho they will find a way eventually..

have a great day guys ..

The one thing no one has realized here is that I can think of only one province that would have the money to start and maintain its own registry. That province is Alberta and there are the fewest supporters of a registry there. Quebec will not win the lawsuit to obtain info from the federal registry so they would have to collect it again themselves. No money to do it!

Now, will the powers that be think up some other nonsense to get more money, like a higher tax on the purchase of guns, well probably but the registry is a money loser it is gone!

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"That was the period of my life which saw neither pauses nor introspections"

all they need to do is demand all guns owner to either turn in their guns or register them and people being they way they are will register them and then hey look a fee you have to pay to register a gun comes up , the provience does not pay the gun ower pays,

look let get realistic here, there is more then one way the governments can bleed us for money to do stuff they want done its rather easy to do..

the world is going to hell in a hand basket and its not going to get better its going to get worse , the federal government does not want the problem any more, so now if proviences in canada want gun owers to register their long guns then they will make it happen one way or another.

in the late 70's early 80s arounds that time frame any how winnipeg wanted guns out of the hands of the owers you had a choice willing turn in your guns for destruction or goto jail.. that did not last long thank god but goverments have powers beyond what you want to really know so if each provice says we want your info then they will have it and you cant do a thing about it. even tho the long gun registery is going to go form federal hands for long guns they still have you registered for ant pistols, and when you buy a long gun/rifle your pal is still going to be recorded same goes for amo, so who has your info now.. and can the government get it form the store owners if they want it bet your a** they can. can you prevent this yes dont get a pal and dont own fireams that require a pal simple..

But Kevin if we felt that way about the PAL then what is to stop the powers that be from revamping non-PAL airguns and lowering the fps requirements further to say 395 fps from 500 etc etc. Nothing right?

The federal registry was a money loser despite the fees paid and I don't see the provinces lining up to take on a money loser anytime soon in the present economic climate.

I agree that Gov't has powers that seem hard to fight but they do sometimes listen to us!

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"That was the period of my life which saw neither pauses nor introspections"

iam sure if they wanted to they could ban all pellet guns after all a few of the us states are pushing for it, seems they have way to many pellet gun problems that we dont yet have so i guess were safe so far , but if they wanted to they could very well lower out min fps on us even more so, in taiwan the speed limit is 330 fps and that really sucks, i did a job once for 10 1377s and it took alot to under power the guns to that speed limit, but i made sure i made notes if i have to do it again. 330 fps is usless as a fart and to pump a gun 10 times for the little amount of power id never put up with it..

you can not really stop the government when they want something bad enough they will do it, they say if you vote you have rights, and a non voter has no rights , in the real world neither one has really got any rights in the end , its all permission and privilages that we live under when you get right down to it,

i support the fact that the registery is a joke and a waste of money dont get me wronge i love my guns to, there are rules in place and i do follow them to the letter.

to be honest and iam being honest i think we should have the right to bare arms and carry , but i also think we should have the right to not have out records and all our ID on the internet where hackers and crackers can get access, i think there should be only a 1 time only ever fee for a pal, i think that if we have to register a gun so that they know we got them that there should be no fees at all for this we pay enough for the gun as it is and they tax them to death so they should cover the fees out the taxes they get.

if you were to bottem line it all for example a car in 1950 a nice car was about 2000.00 today same type of car cost us 16.000 now cars these days are built cheaper and mass produced on hi volume so it cost less to make and the break alot, if its costing less to make then how is it that they can say the car is worth 16.000 dollars, when in 1950 same car retailed for 2000.00 and cars were not mass produced in a hi volume like they are today and the old cars were built to last you hardely had to fix them at al compared to todays cars..

so take the same thing and apply it everything else in life were getting screwed so bad its not funny .

so when one takes a look at the registry for long guns yes its a total waste and i agree all that money is not going to keep it going its going in their pockets and private jets and dinner partys and expesive houses, you only need an IQ of 5 to be in politics any one can do the job, so whats it costing, in the real world what ever they want you to belive and you accpet it cause you have no basis for argument your not doing there job making 100,000 or more a year off the tax payers moneym, instead your working at mcdonalds flipping burgers and you have a college degree where most of them might have grade 9,

so i ask you this whats it really cost ..

when the colt peace maker came out it costed 16.00 with a holster and a belt full of bullets, same kinda gun today cost you ho much a few grande maybe 800 bucks for a used gun similer but not the colt but one that looks like it,

these are examples only not 100% accurate but pretty close , so think about it, if they pay 4 guys per provice a wage of 20.00 and hour to take the time to register your toys whats it costing them , not alot over all cause your fees for your pal renewel and for each gun you register pay their wages if it cost them anything at all its not near what they BS about saying it does, if you belive that line of horse dung then you might just belive the next guy that says the planet is going to exploed this year and of on all days my birthday , thats the myan calander stuff for thoes interesed 201221 any how.. lets all just see what happens we might get lucky we might not its a roll of the dice if the other provicences are going to do their own registery or not..

old cars were junk by the time they had 100,000 miles on them and some before that. Today a car goes twice that it and is nicely broken in. Todays engines you never touch them for 200,000 miles. In the good old days that would be the fourth engine and likely 6 sets of heads.

Cars today are twice the value of the old ones, there is no comparing.

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Walter

If everything else in this world was built as well as new cars today, man then we would really be getting our money's worth every time we bought something. As far as provinces getting people to re register their long guns so they can start their own registry, well good luck with that one.




Benson

iam just saying that if the registery truley goes out of the hands of the feds there is a really good chance the provinces will follow suit with quebec the place that wants to keep a registry going, its our money that pays for it all not the governments , by then allowing the provicens to do as they wish on a provience to provience thing its also going to make other problems happen as well so you could be right they may not do it but they can if they want to cause its not going to cost the provience a dim when its us thats paying the bill.

alot of people think that its the government that pays for all this crap they want to do when its not them its us the tax payers its our money that pays their wages and supports their programs etc etc. we get taxed to death on every thing which is where all the extra money goes to aka their pockets and there is no way the wages they get that they auctually deserve thoes kinds of wages.

iam sure most of us can do a better job for less the half what each of them makes and stull live hi on the hog if you get the meaning,

anyhow this is sort a goten way off the topic and i do appoligiez for that. any how, i guess well just have to waite and see what happens..

Purchase and firearms registry reguadless obvisly no less than standing to see how it works.

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Canon CLI-8

Nope sorry not correct otherwise a crossbow would be a firearm.