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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:44 am 
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Hey there,

First off, I know internet forums are the WORST place to ask about the law... Here it goes anyway.

A “rifle” can’t be altered to less than an 18” barrel (457mm) or it becomes prohibited. I would assume this applies to PAL rated airguns as well? If you wanted to chop your typical Crosman springer from 18” to 14”, this would make it a prohibited weapon?

I understand that a >500fps air rifle is considered a firearm, is it also considered a “rifle” under the criminal code? I couldn’t find a CC definition of the term “rifle”.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:52 am 
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as stated on the rcmp firearm faq

Restricted firearms include:

handguns that are not prohibited;
semi-automatic, centre-fire rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm;
rifles and shotguns that can be fired when their overall length has been reduced by folding, telescoping or other means to less than 660 mm

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:00 am 
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Well for manual actions the barrel can be shortened to 18", for semi auto 18.5" is the min. But still also gotta maintain 26" OAL.

Now I would assume it would apply to PAL rated as well. Because it would have to meet the requirement of a NR. Unless you use a factory barrel. But doubt there is any 14 or 15" factory springer barrels.

I only dealt with firearms. Never airguns. I had a 10/22 with a 8" barrel.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:13 am 
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To me, it doesn’t seem to meet the requirements of a restricted firearm, but if considered a “rifle”, then it would meet the criteria for a prohibited firearm:

“rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing or other means so that their barrel length :arrow: is less than 457 mm or their overall length is less than 660 mm;”

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:24 am 
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Join the CCFR. But the legal advice option and ask a lawyer. www.firearmrights.ca


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:00 pm 
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leadslinger wrote:
I only dealt with firearms. Never airguns. I had a 10/22 with a 8" barrel.


How was your 10/22 classified and did it start life as a rifle or one of those 10/22 based pistols that got the mags prohibited?

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ratchetman wrote:
leadslinger wrote:
I only dealt with firearms. Never airguns. I had a 10/22 with a 8" barrel.


How was your 10/22 classified and did it start life as a rifle or one of those 10/22 based pistols that got the mags prohibited?


It was a rife and used a manufactured barrel that allowed me to go shorter. Not a cut down. As long as I kept it 26" oal.. I would assume that rimfire law and airguns would be almost the same.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:21 pm 
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leadslinger wrote:
ratchetman wrote:
leadslinger wrote:
I only dealt with firearms. Never airguns. I had a 10/22 with a 8" barrel.


How was your 10/22 classified and did it start life as a rifle or one of those 10/22 based pistols that got the mags prohibited?


It was a rife and used a manufactured barrel that allowed me to go shorter. Not a cut down. As long as I kept it 26" oal.. I would assume that rimfire law and airguns would be almost the same.
They are quite different.

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Air Arms Prosport, 9.5 barrel.


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They are quite different.

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I'm well aware airguns and rimfires are different. But I assume the shortening the barrel law, would be the same as a rimfire firearm. No no to cut the barrel less than 18" but okay to put a factory barrel that was manufactured shorter.

Like I can take a 2260 and put a 14" factory barrel on it. But I cannot cut the 24" barrel down to 14.

peterdulux wrote:
Air Arms Prosport, 9.5 barrel.


But that came factory with the 9.5" barrel. Makes it okay.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:54 pm 
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https://nfa.ca/legal-issue/barrel-and-firearms-lengths/


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:32 pm 
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What if I wanted to get a LW barrel blank for a 2260 and have it machined to 16" or 14"?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:48 pm 
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NOTE: The firearm is NOT forced into the “prohibited firearm” class if it left the factory with the barrel at below-18″/457mm barrel length. I have, for example, a .22 rimfire semi-auto 30-shot rifle with a 9-3/4″ barrel, a .410 single-shot shotgun with an 11-3/4″ barrel, two 12-gauge pump-action shotguns with 14″ barrels, a .22 rimfire pump-action rifle with a 17-7/8″ custom barrel and a .223 calibre rifle with a 14″ barrel — AND ALL OF THEM ARE NON-RESTRICTED. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY EITHER LEFT THE FACTORY WITH THOSE BARRELS, OR WERE FITTED WITH FACTORY- OR CUSTOM-MADE BARRELS IN THOSE LENGTHS AT SOME LATER DATE, and were NEVER fitted with a longer barrel.(I take it this is important) One left the factory with NO barrel, and so a 14″ barrel could be legally fitted.

My assembly of that collection of idiocy demonstrations was deliberate. The law apparently tried to prohibit certain lengths of barrel or firearm — and failed miserably, because the limits are all conditional. Assembling the necessary parts to change one of your firearms into one of my above-noted configurations is something you can do as a hobby. It is a risky hobby. You may be forced to defend the legality of what you have, or have done, in a court of law — at heavy expense — because some police officer does NOT understand all the above technicalities. You may even be convicted — because some JUDGE does not understand firearms law. Did YOU understand it before reading ALL of this posting? Are you SURE you understand the limits NOW?

It is IMPORTANT to understand what you can and cannot do

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:33 pm 
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Airguns are NOT firearms... until someone decides that they are.
- If you end up in court, for whatever reasons (Bylaw infraction, hunting reg. Police call...) the airgun will be treated as a firearms

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Ask yourself if it is worth the trouble and $$


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:28 pm 
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On the other hand, ANY air gun (other than soft-air I assume, maybe incorrectly) becomes a firearms IF used as a firearm.
That USE, will initially be defined by the charging officer & will likely be backed by the judge as well. It would be expensive
to fight.

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