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I noticed this in the LeBaron catalogue:

http://www.lebaron.ca/pdf_files_fall09/ ... hantom.pdf

I wonder if the barrel is maybe longer? Anyone have both they can compare? I have a PAL version and always is was physically the same as the non PAL except for the internals.

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It is either 'new' or a misprint.
Phantom and Quest have the same difference published on that page. I think it bogus.
Up to now the powerplants have all been the same physical size.

Walter....

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i have the non pal and canon is 16 1/2" long

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There has been no change to either platform. If you notice, they also have this error as it applies to the Quest.

I suspect this was someone in the catalog department confusing things. And- in fact, the non-pal version of both the Quest and Phantom were heavier than the PAL versions in the past when they had an extended length piston.

This is not to suggest it is entirely LeBaron's doing, they only regurgitate info given to them by manufacturers, if Crosman sent an incorrect number, Lebaron would only have repeated it. As these products are all made in China, it is also entirely plausible Crosman took some incorrect info provided by the manufacturer and repeated it. Non-English clerk in China to sales clerk at Crosman to catalog person at LeBaron- with no one actually measuring the actual length at any point. It's like a bad game of "telephone".

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Well, I measured my barrel from tip of plastic front sight piece to breech and it's 18.75"+/- and the OAL to centre of buttpad is 44.5". Can someone check their non PAL Phantom to confirm same?

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Ah ha. Thanks for taking the measurements Rene! Seems like the Phantom 1000 does in fact have a longer barrel than the 500. This must be one of the tricks they use to get the extra velocity out of the full power version. And it is doubtful that this is a new development as mine is an older model.

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I could be wrong, but i think longer barrel=more velocity in compressed air guns, as the longer barrel allows more room for the gas to expand. Springers can actually lose velocity from having too long of a barrel; friction against the pellet slows it down, and the spring/piston rebounding can actually create suction and pull on the pellet before it has left the muzzle.

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I just measured an older Quest and a first-generation Phantom (both non-PAL)- the Quest matches Rene's dimensions, the Phantom is slightly longer (.5"). Then I pulled an unused Quest 1000 barrel made two months before the Phantom barrel, it is 18.75" with the front sight attached (18.5" without front sight). So, I have 16.75", 17.25" and 18.75" barrels.

It may be that QC in the factory had been very forgiving of barrel lengths early on(the packing boxes typically have a good amount of "play" in them. Maybe they have gotten the QC in much better shape now (?).

Not that much of this is going to matter from a tuning point-of-view, Crosman has not been able to produce a part number for a .22 cal Quest/Phantom barrel, only the .177 units.

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Not how I see it in that pic.

the Phantom has a longer LOP but the actions and barrels appear to be the same.

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Yeah, it looks like the non-pal has a slightly larger stock, and the entire compression tube is sitting a little further forward as well.............

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Guys, Rene has taken a photo with his Quest. The subject of this discussion is not the Quest, rather it is the Phantom. His Phantom has a shorter barrel than mine. Eric's measurements seems to indicate the same. I have a factory Phantom 1000, it has a 2" longer barrel than Rene's Phantom 500. The LeBaron catalogue states same.

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lh, the Lebaron info has the same differences listed for the Quest so discussing it seems appropriate as well.

Rene's pic just shows that the Phantom has a longer pull. same action.

Now what has me curious are the actions different now?

Walter....

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Ok, I'd like to compare a PAL Quest to a non-PAL Quest. It would be interesting if the PAL version had the longer barrel too. The shorter barrel might be one of the ways that Crosman neuters the velocity for the non-PAL spec rifles.

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My non PAL Phantom 22cal is 42.5" long and has a 16.75" long barrel including the front sight.