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 Post subject: BSF AIRGUNS
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:05 pm 
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Any one own any bsf i have afew never here them mention here .

Bayerische Sportswaffen Fabriken (BSF) of Erlangen, Germany founded in 1935 but only prototypes produced until after WW2 owned by the Schutt family until 1983 when bought by Herr Gayer. (The German exporter was Wilsker and Co and hence many were sold in the US, as Wischo particularly be Beeman who was pioneering adult airguns from mid 1970’s)

A considerable variety of models produced from the BSF Junior (smaller than a HW 25 !!) up to the underlever S54 series (Big !!)

Many of their models, however, were not imported into UK.

The BSF S60 was their top sporting rifle for many years, featured in WHB Smith’s Gas, Spring and Air Guns of the World (1st Edition, Stackpole Books 1957)

Length 43”, Weight 6 ¾ LBS, barrel length 19” available in .177 and .22. Adjustable rearsight for W&E hooded foresight bead on post profile. Plain stock with chequering at pistol grip and finger groove on forend early models were walnut later beech (can be encountered with N suffix viz S60N, N being German word Nussbaum = Walnut)

Now BSF’s are very oversprung (warning approx 150 LBS tension behind the spring retaining bolt if fitted with a new Export mainspring) so be careful if you decide to strip. Also there is a trick in the ‘keyhole’ fitting of the scope ramp that allows it all to come apart so don’t try to force it with a hammer.

The early models imported into UK exceeded the 12 Ft lbs limit and a smaller spring was fitted into the .22 although the ‘Export’ spring was available from some enthusiasts (if you knew where to look)

It had a long held reputation for very high power ( cf its contempories prior to the FWB and HW80) A good example should be close to 12 Ft/Lbs

The design of the rifle with such a potent spring is intentional and when properly tuned had a very quick lock time and very little vibration, as with all springers, hold the gun lightly and let it do the shooting… a tight grip will result in poor accuracy.

They were imported into UK by Norman May &Co of Bridlington (of Normay HW35 Vixen fame) who also imported pellets at the time from Bildstein, Mommer and Co. of Stolberg/Rhineland Germany ( Bimoco !!!)

The collapse of Normay in 1981 was the beginning of the death knell for BSF whose products had remained constant for a while whilst competitors like Feinwerkbau and Weihrauch were setting the UK on fire with the 124/127 ‘Sport’ and HW 80 from late 1979 to early 1980’s …. Up to today.

The S60 was superceded by the model 55 Bavaria, which is the most famous, and numerous of the BSF break barrel models and also the first Carbine air rifle well ahead of its time.( 16” barrel and 6 Lbs in weight)

The B55 early models (i.e. from mid 1960’s up to very late 1970’s had a rearsight adjustable for Elevation only, adopting the S70 rearsight after that)

The BSF S70 appeared in the early 1970’s which was a mixture of the longer barrel and adjustable rearsight of the S60 (although a new design rearsight using the B55 sight body with a windage drum added) with a stock copied from the B55DL although in beech not Walnut

The S54 underlever dates from 1950’s and is encountered with 4 stock variations, Standard, Nussbaumschaft, Bayern and Match.

The S20 pistol was imported into UK in two variations S20 Export and S20 Match Export ( with a walnut grip with thumbshelf plus a better rearsight adjustable for W&E) and was most powerful pistol at about 5 ft/lbs prior to the BSA Scorpion’s introduction in 1973.

After Normay had collapsed, BSF’s were not imported into UK again until 1983 by Highgate Optical who introduced the BSF S80, which had a barrel weight, fitted and had a radical stock design with a very pronounced deep forend specifically for the then new sport of FT. This is still used today in custom stock designs.

This agency did not last long and was taken over by Mirador of London who developed a collaboration with Herr Gayer, the new owner of BSF and ‘Venom Conversions’ duo of Dave Pope and Ivan Hancock who were working out of ‘Trapshot’ gunshop of Lye prior to the formation of Venom Arms and obtaining their first premises at ‘Gun Barrel works’.

The Venom Bavaria B55 was available in .22 only and had a modified scope ramp, two stage trigger and barrel weight fitted with a Tyrolean walnut stock.( Synthetic breech seals were fitted to improve consistency)

BSF folded finally in 1985 and Weihrauch bought the parts and machinery…..interesting if you look at the HW 85 ( it’s a BSF 55 with a record trigger !! and a very under rated gun)

Well, I think that will do for now as a ‘potted history’…………….

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:03 pm 
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Another BSF rifle that survives is the HW 50S. It used to be an HW designed rifle, but when they bought the remainents of BSF, they put the slightly more powerful BSF rifle into their line up, removed the original 50, and it survives today along with its transplanted Record trigger. All you need to do is take one apart and you see very quickly that it is not like the HW 30, 35, or 80. Good read, lauchlin. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: BSF AIRGUNS
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:06 am 
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lauchlin wrote:
The design of the rifle with such a potent spring is intentional and when properly tuned had a very quick lock time and very little vibration, as with all springers, hold the gun lightly and let it do the shooting… a tight grip will result in poor accuracy.


From the not very well informed.... Could you expand a bit on this? I have a target pistol that has been described as "hold sensitive" on a number of a/g boards. I'm very interested in the light hold idea, and how it is accomplished. My natural reaction to loose grouping is to tighten up...

The old target grade air rifles are seldom encountered here. I've seen little at gunshows.... there must be a lot of these quality air rifles around. I don't come across them much as a salable item. any ideas?

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The father-in-law has got a really nice BSF 177..has the dual rings just back of the break...has got to be from the 50s or early 60s...he can't remember when he got it! Will have to try and get some pics of it.


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Haha, those BSF guns look a lot like Chinese B1/B2s. Perhaps those rifles are poor copies of these higher quality guns?

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 Post subject: Re: BSF AIRGUNS
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:39 am 
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
lauchlin wrote:
The design of the rifle with such a potent spring is intentional and when properly tuned had a very quick lock time and very little vibration, as with all springers, hold the gun lightly and let it do the shooting… a tight grip will result in poor accuracy.


From the not very well informed.... Could you expand a bit on this? I have a target pistol that has been described as "hold sensitive" on a number of a/g boards. I'm very interested in the light hold idea, and how it is accomplished. My natural reaction to loose grouping is to tighten up...

The old target grade air rifles are seldom encountered here. I've seen little at gunshows.... there must be a lot of these quality air rifles around. I don't come across them much as a salable item. any ideas?

Regards,

Doc Sharptail

I did not write that its just information i found well looking up bsf history

A lot of my older gun come from pawn shops or the news paper and my friends all know i collect airguns .the two gun below came out of the paper for sale section ya just never know

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Superb write-up on the BSF rifles. Sadly, I do not have a single BSF in my collection - but hope springs eternal - lol.

That is one sweet looking Walther LG-53ZD - very nice score indeed !!


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 Post subject: BSF
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Hi I am an American but lived in Williams Lake, B.C. for 15 years before returning to the US.
I have several BSF guns, I own a minty BSF 54 underlever rifle (the plain model) with no checkering on pistol grip but I have the lovely peep sight with the huge eyepiece.

I also have a nice BSF 55 carbine and a lovely S70 rifle which I believe is a 55 with a longer barrel all factory not a rehash.
Ive just ordered a BSF S20 with the adjustable match rear sight, it wont arrive for 10 days or so.

I really enjoy German made airguns. The marking on my BSF 54 says Made in Germany West-this is not a typo It does not say made in West Germany, but Made in Germany West-any thoughts on date it was made?

If you send me your email address, not the forum, Ill send you pix of it, I have trouble attaching pix to web sites-Im not to bright on computers.

Ibuy and sell airgun literature world wide, check my web site at www.bigspringguns.net
Ihave two apparently new stocks for the S20 one looks like walnut? it only has the hole in pistol grip, not the screw hole through the forend from right to left.


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