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JackJack
 Post subject: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:23 pm 
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Hi,

I am new to the hobby. Landed on many of your posts when researching air rifles for small game hunting that doesn’t require PAL.

I have learned that I need PAL for a decent air rifle beyond 500fps for small games.

I will be taking my firearm classes soon and apply for PAL.

In the mean time, I am deciding between a Croaman Phantom 22 and a CrossmanF11 22.

Idea is to upgrade the rifle to faster fps once I get my PAL and in the mean time enjoy practicing it in its stock version.

Are the new phantoms upgradable? Please advise. If not I will go with F11 which I believe is all nitro piston and no springs. Any alternative is also welcomed. For some reason I am stuck to 22 CAL because I read that’s ideal for small games as it has a good energy transfer compared to a 17 CAL.

Thanks in advance!
JJ
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WoodWelder
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:54 am 
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Welcome to the forum from southern Alberta!
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JackJack
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:59 am 
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WoodWelder wrote:
Welcome to the forum from southern Alberta!


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McRobert
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:03 am 
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Welcome, Jackjack. My last 2 Crosman have had bad barrels. you should wait for your Pal to buy, You will be able to buy aEuropean .22 for a little more money. There is a full power crosman now selling in the $149 range, you will spend more money to upgrade the metal spring or the gas ram than buying a full power gun

Take a look here
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/spring-rifles/
https://dlairgun.com/collections/nitro-piston-gas-ram-rifles

There are a lot more dealers so look around, don't buy the wrong gun and have a dust collector that you can't sell.

Robert
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Skanzy
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:10 am 
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Welcome!
You do not need a PAL to hunt in Ontario but you will need to take the hunter's education course, buy an outdoors card and also buy a small game license.

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JackJack
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:37 am 
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McRobert wrote:
Welcome, Jackjack. My last 2 Crosman have had bad barrels. you should wait for your Pal to buy, You will be able to buy aEuropean .22 for a little more money. There is a full power crosman now selling in the $149 range, you will spend more money to upgrade the metal spring or the gas ram than buying a full power gun

Take a look here
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/spring-rifles/
https://dlairgun.com/collections/nitro-piston-gas-ram-rifles

There are a lot more dealers so look around, don't buy the wrong gun and have a dust collector that you can't sell.

Robert
Thanks Robert. My understanding is PAL wait times are longer and hence was going for a under 500 fps rifle to pacify my interest and practice in the meantime. I have never held or fired any kind of air rifle (or firearm) ever.

I will check the links provided.

JackJack (JJ)
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JackJack
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:39 am 
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Skanzy wrote:
Welcome!
You do not need a PAL to hunt in Ontario but you will need to take the hunter's education course, buy an outdoors card and also buy a small game license.
Thank you. I will do that. I had a Outdoors card with Fishing license that expired 2 years ago.


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jckstrthmghty
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:31 pm 
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Welcome to the forum.

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JackJack
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
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jckstrthmghty wrote:
Welcome to the forum.
Thank you!


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JackJack
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:00 pm 
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McRobert wrote:
Welcome, Jackjack. My last 2 Crosman have had bad barrels. you should wait for your Pal to buy, You will be able to buy aEuropean .22 for a little more money. There is a full power crosman now selling in the $149 range, you will spend more money to upgrade the metal spring or the gas ram than buying a full power gun

Take a look here
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/spring-rifles/
https://dlairgun.com/collections/nitro-piston-gas-ram-rifles

There are a lot more dealers so look around, don't buy the wrong gun and have a dust collector that you can't sell.

Robert
And another reason I was looking for a under 500 fps rifle is based on assumption that it will be ok to fire one in the backyard as opposed to a PAL rifle.


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JackJack
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:08 pm 
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lauchlin wrote:
JackJack wrote:
McRobert wrote:
Welcome, Jackjack. My last 2 Crosman have had bad barrels. you should wait for your Pal to buy, You will be able to buy aEuropean .22 for a little more money. There is a full power crosman now selling in the $149 range, you will spend more money to upgrade the metal spring or the gas ram than buying a full power gun

Take a look here
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/spring-rifles/
https://dlairgun.com/collections/nitro-piston-gas-ram-rifles

There are a lot more dealers so look around, don't buy the wrong gun and have a dust collector that you can't sell.

Robert
And another reason I was looking for a under 500 fps rifle is based on assumption that it will be ok to fire one in the backyard as opposed to a PAL rifle.
well that depends on were you live most if not all towns its no shooting in back yard

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I see. I will lookup bylaws for my Town.


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CountyMounty
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
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Welcome to the forum.
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JackJack
 Post subject: Re: Hi, from Ontario.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:29 pm 
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CountyMounty wrote:
Welcome to the forum.
Thank you!


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