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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:06 am 
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quickreply7789 wrote:
air guns people air guns!!!!

and those zombies guns don't count!
(ugg! zobies??? what a bunch of freaks i have to deal with here) (opps they probaly heard that)(opps they probaly heard that too!) (aww crap!!! i think they can read my mind!!!!) (aww crap- i think i'm off topic again!) (hey look!!! something shiny!! :shock: ) :rolleyes:


your posts are disturbing. :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:37 pm 
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why thank you. i do try!!! :mrgreen:

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sub 500 .22 Crosman Phantom 500 open sites
sub 500 .177 Crosman TR77 NPS 4-16x40 UTG
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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:21 pm 
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I agree with Randyhub, Condor all of the way.
There is no and has never been another airgun
that can touch it. In a pinch, it can even be used
for home defence. It will completely pass through a
feral pitbull's noggin at 50 yards and they have much
tougher sculls than a human, by far. I know this as
a fact, because when I was in the military, I cracked
quite a few human heads open for good old uncle sam.

One of the high powered Korean guns would be my second
choice.

This is asuming that we that we are only considering
airguns. If we introduce firearms into the equation then
it's a no brainer. I would choose my favorite of all time.
My HK model 91 in .308 caliber. I would still keep the Condor
though as when (not if) society collapses, I suspect that
the supply of nitro cellulose will dry up quick. I have stock
piled quite a huge supply, but it will only last a few years.

Hide your supplies Gentalmen VERY well, the government will
try to steel them like they did during Katrina. I used a LOT of
steel and rebar. The rebar is to block the fluoroscope that they
will use to see if you have any hidden possessions that they
wish to steal from you.


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:34 pm 
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Wow I love my Condor for the flexibility and will always have it just in case powderburners and the ammo become really regulated as I just want something that will provide a subsonic .22 long rimfire power but then their is also the Evanix, Airwolf, and Sumatra as well for PCP's but they are too complex for me.

As far as self defense I would side with a powderburner however after seeing 2X4's shredded can't say a PCP would be something I would want to get tagged with.

In reality any decent shooting PCP that can provide over 60 ft lbs of energy will always keep your cooking pot full as eating sparrows and squirrels would get old quickly.

I know this was about airguns and survival so going into powderburners, knives, communications, optics, water packs, and so much more just makes this a HUGE topic.

So thanks for thye Condor praise they are a good plowhorse and certainly not a harnass racer.

Randy


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:05 pm 
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I hear you. I call mine Mr. long range. My spec op friend
Mike (over in Iraq now) was hitting 1 litre plastic water bottles
at 200 yards almost every time and stated that if he could spend
a few weeks with it, that he would never miss.

I'm only able to do so at 180 yards and under, but he competes
for the Marines at 1000 to 5000 yards with a single shot 50 cal BMG
race gun.

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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:15 pm 
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Wow lots of goodies on that bird. :mrgreen:

Saw some 50's at the last gunshow here in Calgary and yes they can really reach out there!!!

Yeah I like doing the mini sniping airgun thing too.

Nothing like having your mat down, binocs, bipod out, laser rangefinder, lots of heavy pellets, and a field of gophers with MilDots. :twisted:

But every once in awhile I need to get that .223 fix to stay in touch with my powderburners. :axe:

Randy

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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:52 pm 
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Is there any low maintenance airgun (that can operate without much cleaning, wet or dry, dust and dirt .. ) for a survival situation ?


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:14 pm 
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Condors have been used in the Iraq invasion
to put out street lights because there is no muzzle
flash to give the shooters position away. Knowing
how our guys operate over there, it would not suprise
me to find out that they had also been used on
more animated targets, if you catch my drift.
After all they don't really care if they get a clean
kill as long as they get a kill. They chose the Condor
because it was least affected by sand.

I like how all of the internals (even the trigger group)
are run dry in the airfirce line of airguns. This produces a
more consistent firing cycle and does not attract dust, grit
or sand like a wet lubricant. I've had a couple of Rapids (the most
over priced, over rated piece of feces there is) and
a few BSA PCPs over the years. I don't have them anymore,
but don't really see myself ever selling the Condor.
I think that everyone should try one. I like to see the look on
peoples faces the first time that they pull the trigger on high
with a heavy pellet in the breech.

The BSAs were alright (they need better barrel qualiy control),
but the cocking, loading method is a real hindrance at best for
pest control. You have to pull on this big doorknob looking
thing in front of the forstock to get the bolt back for loading.

If you shoot your Condor in the rain and water gets into the
mechanism it will suffer a slight lowering of consistency that will
return upon drying. Just stay away from the stoners over at
TOG or TAG or what ever they are going by this month or you'll
be sending it off to Airforce for repairs. The guy that I met at
Airforce said that most of the repair orders that he gets come
from that source. They bought him a new pool.


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:39 pm 
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I think if it had to be a airgun i would agree the condor is more that up to the task


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:27 pm 
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Yeah shot mine in the snow/rain while hunting then put in the gun case and forgot about like an idiot. A month later I find the gun itself was fine but the mounts and other blued add ons rusted. :cry:

There are no electronics, fancy gauges, trigger parts, or pretty bluing to worry about after all it was designed to work not stand there trying to look pretty. :lol: I do know it is designed to operate dry other then a little silicone seal grease but that is why it works so well in the field.

Heard the fact they were used overseas in Iraq too but then I also heard they used suppressed rimfires and the Condors were personal guns of soldiers so who knows.

As far as the TOG/TAG goes I read lots of posts on what not to do so everything I have done is bolt on drop in parts and adjustments such as reducing the tophat to .062 from the factory .092 air wasting height but that's about it. But things like drilling out the valve and installing set screws for the trigger terrifies me and yes most likely has paid for a pool. Luckily parts are super cheap and easy to get unlike horror stories I hear of other PCP's that develop leaks or where an Airwolf owner yanks the sensors out of the shroud when cleaning a barrel and of course never having to buy batteries!!! :roll:

Randy


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:58 pm 
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After all the good things I've heard about the Condor, I think it will be my first purchase after I get my PAL.

I know this thread is about survival airguns, but I have to put this up. Believe it or not, I found this on a high tech forum.

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>400 fps, 160 ft lbs, takedown, designed to fit an AR15 receiver

Good for either game or zombies, depending on the scenario.

For more, check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzc22e0xRX4
http://www.pse-archery.com/prod.php?k=55444&u=01135


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:15 pm 
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Sweet!! And I just happen to have 2 pin takedown AR lower to fit that Crosbow upper!! :D :D :D :D

Now the Condor is as the price shows pretty unrefined and some Condors do have valve issues but that is easy to rectify with Airforce as I did and finding their sweet spots is also easy as well with a chrony and a set of allen keys, but damn that Crosbow is sexy!!!!!!!! :twisted:

Randy


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 Post subject: Re: survival weapon?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:15 am 
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Very interesting string vibration reduction devices
on that crossbow.


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