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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:25 pm 
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According to this page

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-f ... ir-eng.htm

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Replica airguns: These are air guns not powerful enough to cause serious injury or death, but designed to resemble a real firearm with near precision. Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are classified as prohibited devices.


This makes a GSG 92, Tanfoglio et.al. prohibited firearms, however you can buy them pretty much anywhere in Canada. What's going on?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:29 pm 
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so i should get one before they are stopped?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:32 pm 
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Please take the time to do a little research before making posts like this. A BB/pellet gun is a firearm and not a replica...........

Can we sticky this so it doesnt get posted every week........

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:47 pm 
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notec wrote:
Please take the time to do a little research before making posts like this. A BB/pellet gun is a firearm and not a replica...........

Can we sticky this so it doesnt get posted every week........



I did, and the 2 other topics are ambiguous.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:02 pm 
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notec wrote:
Please take the time to do a little research before making posts like this. A BB/pellet gun is a firearm and not a replica...........

Can we sticky this so it doesnt get posted every week........

OMG X2 !!!
You could have researched the forum or just read the link you provided
If you had taken the time to read the link you posted it says everything:
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"These are air guns not powerful enough to cause serious injury or death"
"In particular, some air guns commonly known as air soft guns may fall into this category. These are devices that have a low muzzle velocity and muzzle energy, and that usually discharge projectiles made out of a substance such as plastic or wax rather than metal. Airsoft guns with a muzzle velocity below 111.6 m/s (366 fps), and resembling with near precision an existing make and model of a firearm, other than an antique firearm, are replica firearms and therefore are prohibited devices."

I'm really sorry if we may sound harsh to you but like notec said it comes back again and again and again. The lubricant and replica questions are like boomerangs or springs of topics because they keep coming back, over and over.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:19 pm 
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These topics come up because RCMP can seriously cock up your life if they misinterpret these. So the trick here is that BB and pellet guns that resemble real guns DO NOT fall into "replica" category but rather "non-restricted firearm" category because they DO cause serious harm.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:27 pm 
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These topics come up because RCMP can seriously cock up your life if they misinterpret these. So the trick here is that BB and pellet guns that resemble real guns DO NOT fall into "replica" category but rather "non-restricted firearm" category because they DO cause serious harm.

Got it and don't fear the RCMP any lawyer could get you out of this one and I honestly don't think the crown would even give it a try.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:32 pm 
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The RCMP would be stopping the importation before going after civi's.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:41 pm 
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the more i see these posts, the more confused i get


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:18 pm 
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http://www.replicaairguns.com/question-and-answer/
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- I thought Replica guns where prohibited in Canada?
- Yes replica guns are prohibited in Canada. However, Airguns that shoot metal or lead BB's or pellets, Airsoft guns that shoot a .20 gram plastic BB over 366 fps and blank firing signaling devices fall into a different category and are not considered Replicas. Please read the “Uncontrolled” firearms section of Memorandum D19-13-2 for more information on this.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:36 am 
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notec wrote:
Please take the time to do a little research before making posts like this. A BB/pellet gun is a firearm and not a replica...........

Can we sticky this so it doesnt get posted every week........

isn't it true that in canada anything over 500fps is classified as a firearm, due to high velocity, other airguns are not firearms, since they are less than 500fps and do not involve any fire, also the link says that airguns that resemble a real firearm with near precision, for example the beretta 92fs, it pretty much looks exactly like a real one. I am new and really confused, but like is it one of those things that a prohibited by written law, but no one cares about it since it is not significant. since I cant think of an airgun that resembles a firearm, out of a category. Can someone provide me with an example of something that actually DOES FALL into this category, if pellet guns such as beretta 92fs dont?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:59 am 
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Airguns that shoot hard enough to cause serious injury or death (over 366 fps) are not considered replicas.Non PAL airguns are considered uncontrolled firearms which means they are exempted from safe storage and licensing regulations but are still considered firearms for all other sections of the criminal code.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:34 pm 
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Airguns that shoot hard enough to cause serious injury or death (over 366 fps) are not considered replicas.Non PAL airguns are considered uncontrolled firearms which means they are exempted from safe storage and licensing regulations but are still considered firearms for all other sections of the criminal code.


As a matter of fact, however stupid it can be, the things that DO NOT SHOOT at all are also classified as “firearms” in Canada. It is sufficient to carefully read Sec. 2 of the Criminal Code of Canada which defines a firearm as follows: ““firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barreled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm”. For example, if you are in the possession of just a FRAME without a barrel and trigger from a pistol/revolver (could be an airpistol), that is already classified by the RCMP as a “prohibited firearm”, without carrying a prohibited PAL then you are a criminal, same for possession of just a frame from a restricted or non-restricted firearm without having an appropriate PAL. The last part of the above definition is most curious “anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm”. What does it exactly mean? A metal pipe attached to a grip?
In general, my advice to anybody who is interested in gun/airgun shooting or just collecting is to read carefully Sec.2 and 84-117 of the Criminal Code of Canada which refer to various aspects of firearm classification and possession. In the next step one can read the Firearms Act. Good reading for winter evenings.
The problem is that however stupid the law is there is no hope that it would be repelled soon (perhaps in the second Conservative term if they could win the next election?). There is nothing one can do about the firearms law, just obey it, trying to stay away from any trouble.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:51 pm 
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on replica airguns I found this
"The KWC/Cybergun Tanfoglio Witness 1911 A1 Blowback BB pistol is nice heavy 2 pound all metal replica of the Classic Colt 1911 A1 styled 45 auto. This gun has an extremely realistic look and feel and has a crisp recoil when fired! We carry the KWC that does not have the markings for a nicer look."

it says that the tanfoglio airgun is a replica of the real gun,(a firearm) doesnt that make the airgun a replica firearm? the wording on the rcmp website is very confusing. It also says the it has an extremely realistic look, which means that generally someone who is not aware of the differences, might consider it to be a real gun.

If those airguns are not in the replica firearm category, then I cannot seem to figure out examples of what actually falls into that category.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:43 pm 
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on replica airguns I found this
"The KWC/Cybergun Tanfoglio Witness 1911 A1 Blowback BB pistol is nice heavy 2 pound all metal replica of the Classic Colt 1911 A1 styled 45 auto. This gun has an extremely realistic look and feel and has a crisp recoil when fired! We carry the KWC that does not have the markings for a nicer look."
it says that the tanfoglio airgun is a replica of the real gun,(a firearm) doesnt that make the airgun a replica firearm? the wording on the rcmp website is very confusing. It also says the it has an extremely realistic look, which means that generally someone who is not aware of the differences, might consider it to be a real gun.
If those airguns are not in the replica firearm category, then I cannot seem to figure out examples of what actually falls into that category.


Please read again the definition of a firearm in Sec.2CC which I posted above. It CLEARLY says that ““firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person”. Since EVERY airgun which is a replica of an existing firearm shoots either pellets or steel BBs with muzzle velocities at least 300fps it will cause serious bodily injury because the muzzle energy is sufficient to do so. Then every replica airgun is a FIREARM NOT REPLICA in Canada. If an airgun doesn’t exceed 500 fps OR 5.7 J muzzle energy then it is a “unregulated” FIREARM which doesn’t need a licence to own but still is a FIREARM. In contrast, the definition of a REPLICA firearm according to Sec.84 CC: “replica firearm” means any device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, a firearm, and that itself is not a firearm, but does not include any such device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, an antique firearm”.
For example, a replica which is a PROHIBITED DEVICE in Canada (not prohibited firearm!) is a non-firing full-metal Denix replica of Walther P38, Colt 1911, Makarov, Python etc. etc. It is illegal to bring them to Canada. Also, some AIRSOFT guns that shoot with a muzzle velocity lower than 366fps with 0.2 grams plastic BBs are classified as replicas because at such a low muzzle energy they CANNOT cause serious injury! However, they are allowed to be sold in Canada if their receiver is partially translucent! The airsoft guns that have full metal or plastic opaque receivers must shoot 366+fps with 0.2 gram BBs to be allowed in Canada. However, then they are not classified as replicas anymore but as FIREARMS.
This subject has been discussed a thousand of times on this forum!


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