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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:24 pm 
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Hi folks ...

I have Princess Auto Special !!
GRIZZLY 177 ...
Started to fire by itself just as you bring the
barrel back up from cock and snap to level ... BAM !!
... without touching the trigger.

Thought I fixed it by re-doing all of the screws
to the stock with lock tight ...
but the problem is back ...
and the last try, it fired while the barrel was still broke
and violently snapped it up straight ...

Is there a fix for this problem ?
Can I take the stock off and adjust some metal somewhere ??
Maybe an edge got too rounded off or something ??

Has anyone else experienced this ? and if so, is there a fix ??


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:41 pm 
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post a pic of the trigger mechanism, if there is an adjustment screw pic that as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:48 pm 
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The Scout is a basic Chinese direct sear rifle, similar to a B1. Suspect the trigger sear and/or spring is broken.
Your barrel is likely now bent upwards as well. It may be fixable, but don't expect much in return for the effort.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:31 am 
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You must have some experience with this ....

I just looked after reading your post ...
Indeed - it is bent up a little bit.

So ... can it be bent down a little bit ?

Assuming I am able to make the trigger work properly,
I wonder if I could ever line up a scope again ?
The cross hairs can only be set so high ....

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Has anyone ever bent a barrel back down ?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:45 am 
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Sorry bud but you get what you pay for! It is a $40 pellet gun........ Buy the Crosman Phantom next time, great value for the money!! Use it and lose it, I would not even bother trying to fix that Scout rifle. :wink:

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REPOOC wrote:
Sorry bud but you get what you pay for! It is a $40 pellet gun........ Buy the Crosman Phantom next time, great value for the money!! Use it and lose it, I would not even bother trying to fix that Scout rifle. :wink:

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Dukemeister wrote:
The Scout is a basic Chinese direct sear rifle, similar to a B1. Suspect the trigger sear and/or spring is broken.
Your barrel is likely now bent upwards as well. It may be fixable, but don't expect much in return for the effort.



How does the barrel bend?? Does this occur in any break barrel, or is it something unique to
lower cost rifles??

I picked up some budget break barrels from Al Flaherty's in Toronto years back to play around with ,
they were 15$ with star stamped into the metal. I have no idea who made them, is this
a common problem to look for?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:05 pm 
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JWFX wrote:
Dukemeister wrote:
The Scout is a basic Chinese direct sear rifle, similar to a B1. Suspect the trigger sear and/or spring is broken.
Your barrel is likely now bent upwards as well. It may be fixable, but don't expect much in return for the effort.



How does the barrel bend?? Does this occur in any break barrel, or is it something unique to
lower cost rifles??

I picked up some budget break barrels from Al Flaherty's in Toronto years back to play around with ,
they were 15$ with star stamped into the metal. I have no idea who made them, is this
a common problem to look for?


This is how it happens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhmZxHOAgOI


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:46 pm 
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JWFX wrote:
is this
a common problem to look for?



Only with the mega cheap ones!! :P Or if you treat them like crap on consistent basis.

Save up some cash and get the Phantom (approx. $100) if you are on a strict budget, or save up some more and get a Weihrauch. Best money I ever spent and what a beautiful piece of machinery. I have many rifles now but my HW-98 is the best of the bunch!

Just my $0.02 worth! :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:49 pm 
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I have a Grizzly Scout and it works perfect for me. I did not put it for sale because it does not shoot good I just don't dig springners anymore.

for the price the grizzly is perfect.

and don't forget Princesses auto have a great warrenty they need you to be happy so go see them with bill in had and pellet gun in other.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:53 pm 
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Holy hell!!! I have never seen that happen lol. My impression was that the barrel would become slight off center
maybe a couple of thou worth... not a damn erection :shock:

I have fixed bent barrels on my lathe, but that is ridiculous. I paid 15$ per for some no name china guns, but the
barrel is not that weak.

Wouldnt that same gun have issues of bending just from cocking it?? Or was that video shot over several attempts
to bend it?

To be honest, if someone was to tell me that a barrel could bend that far out of wack, without seeing it
with my own eyes, id call BS.

Just for sake of, if anybody has a gun that this can happen to, I would suggest some reading on hardening steel
or just hang the gun on the wall for decoration.. Pretty crazy stuff.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:48 pm 
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if it shoots on it's own then it has to be warrentied.
it's not like you pulled the trigger to do that.
but are you sure the barrel is bent?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:55 pm 
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Even high quality barrels will do that. It is just a whole lot of kinetic energy that has no place to go when it fires like that.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:21 am 
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Frank - the thought of it being bent
did not even cross my mind until I read the comment in this thread ...
so I checked ... yup ... very slight ...
You can see it just to look at the gun,
if you look down the barrel ( inside ) from the breach,
it seems like it's not ... but if you look inside from the muzzle,
you can see a change in the lighting at the tip near the breach
which changes from top to bottom if gun is rotated 180.
This seems to suggest that the bulk of metal
that the barrel is mounted in ( the breach area ) acted as
the fulcrum point when the barrel came flying up back to level.

As a first course of action I'll take your advice and if I can find the receipt,
... take it back ... put the $40 towards a QB-57.
I think fixed barrel is the way to go based on this experience,
or what you've switched to ...
( but that's expensive ... fun I'm sure, but expensive ).

... If they dont take it back ... well ... I'll try to fix it
and chalk it up as an educational experience :)


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:59 am 
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For your first issue........remove the trigger and file the sear. Its more than likely slightly rounded causing it to not engage properly.

As far as the barrel.........I have seen low end springers come from the factory with the barrel slightly upswept. If you really want it to be straight you need to make a simple device with a few 2x4 and a C-clamp. There are posts on here how to do it.

For now take care of the trigger and enjoy it for what it is worth.

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