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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:09 pm 
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Since it was a nice morning today, I thought I'd take an hour drive out to Burlington to do some target shooting. Last month I was able to meet the 20 yard challenge, but failed on the 30 yard attempt. I had about 2 hours this morning to complete the 30 yard challenge and I was FINALLY able to complete it on my 4th target sheet. The first 3 target sheets were close, but no cigar as I always had the 1 or 2 pulled shot/flyer. The 4th sheet was kinder to me as I had some 5 shot groups that barely made it inside a dime; especially the middle and lower right target. Nevertheless, after 2 hours of tension/frustration, I can now breathe a sigh of relief.
I don't know if I can complete the 40 yard challenge successfully with this springer/scope combo as I tried hard with the 3-9X50 Leapers scope to no avail. I could barely make out the POA(Circle dot was very small) over 40 Yards at 9X magnification. I'll probably invest in some new glass with higher magnification. My group sizes increased to 3/4" to 1 inch at 40 Yards. Several attempts were made until I decided to pack it in. If I could purchase a better scope with higher mag, I could then be able to get a clearer view of my target. Until then, I'll make do with what I have.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:20 pm 
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Nice shooting, what pellets do you use EDIT - Oops I didn't full size the pic before I asked my question
Might I suggest using a different set of targets with more contrast?
Your spots seem to be a greyish colour, maybe a really black spot would work better
I need to find out about joining that club to shoot my airgun there too!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:49 pm 
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Nicely done! Congratulations.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:24 pm 
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NICE !!!

i always wondered how an AA would compare to what i was able to do with my 97, the groups are incredibly similar :shock:

btw, i also used a Leapers, mine is a 4-16x40, i used about the same magnification you did at 30 yards, about 9-10ish, although its a good scope, i had the same issue, the reticle is too thick and prevents you from seeing the dot in the bull, if you do swap your scope, i would recommend the simmons, thinnest reticle i've seen, i have a 3-9x40 but plan to get the pro target 6-18x40 from Eric, truplex reticle(very thin) and side parallax :D

good luck with the 40 yards 8)

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well done old man!
here you go.... no more soup for you. you are banished to 100 yrds with the other double winners but you have to get there 10 yards at a time..
Also I just saw that you first one actually said 10 dollars which was a copy past error from a gift for the Murray -W's challenge.
So really you have 10 total plinkerbucks.


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Congrats! Good performance on 30 yd! :drinkers:
It looks like 30 yd is a red line for springers in this challenge, sure for non-PAL's.
I wish you good luck on beating a 40 yd limit, may be with better scope it will be attained :!: :!: :!:

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Well done!


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vitalymezh wrote:
It looks like 30 yd is a red line for springers in this challenge, sure for non-PAL's

I think you're right. Thirty five yards can be done, but 40 is awfully tough. If it can be done perhaps a 12fp rifle will be able to achieve that difficult challenge.


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Thanks guys! I also think 30 and 35 yards are about the max.distance a springer can group within a dime size. Going from 30 to 40 yards was a drastic difference. It was like every slight movement/twitch/pull was amplified down range at the 40 yard distance. If you don't follow through or use the right hold that's comfortable/suitable, the springer will punish you downrange. My group sizes went from a dime @ 20/30 Yards to a Nickel/Quarter/Loonie @ 40 Yards.

Now I'm thinking that a new scope with higher magnification and thinner reticle will not make a difference. I'll try darker inner circles on my target as suggested by Mike on my next go around. I truly don't think it'll make a world of a difference as the 15-17 fpe on my .22 TX200 is just too harsh at that range to get 5 groups within a dime size. Maybe a well tuned springer can do it. I would really like to see someone on this forum with a stock springer accomplish the 40 yard challenge to give me some confidence that it can actually be done.

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Plinkercases wrote:
well done old man!
here you go.... no more soup for you. you are banished to 100 yrds with the other double winners but you have to get there 10 yards at a time..
Also I just saw that you first one actually said 10 dollars which was a copy past error from a gift for the Murray -W's challenge.
So really you have 10 total plinkerbucks.


10 Plinkerbucks is better than no bucks at all Mr. Murray. Thanks for the reward! I'll go in increments of 5 yards now. 35 yds may be the only hope in the near future.

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NICE !!!

i always wondered how an AA would compare to what i was able to do with my 97, the groups are incredibly similar :shock:

btw, i also used a Leapers, mine is a 4-16x40, i used about the same magnification you did at 30 yards, about 9-10ish, although its a good scope, i had the same issue, the reticle is too thick and prevents you from seeing the dot in the bull, if you do swap your scope, i would recommend the simmons, thinnest reticle i've seen, i have a 3-9x40 but plan to get the pro target 6-18x40 from Eric, truplex reticle(very thin) and side parallax :D
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good luck with the 40 yards 8)


I just found your submission of the 10, 20, and 30 yrd challenge earlier in the Field Target section. After examining your 30 yard results, I was quite relieved to know that the HW97's 30 yd groups you shot were grouping similarly to my TX groups at the same distance. I gotta say I was torn between these two fine springers before I purchased the TX200. I basically flipped a coin and bought the TX. I have no regrets other than the weight, but it sure is an accurate rifle once you utilize the proper marksmanship principles and hold.
I have been doing some hunting down of potential scopes in the near future. The Hawke Sidewinder 8-32X56 with it's sidewheel focus and thin reticle looks appealing. UTG/Leapers also has a 8-32X56 scope that actually has a thin mil-dot reticle and sidewheel focusing.
I actually have a Simmons 3-9X32 scope on my Crosman 1322 carbine. the Truplex reticle works great and does the job, but I'm looking for a mil-dot scope with higher magnification for my TX so I could possibly use it in future FT competitions.
I'll give 35 yards a try first before attempting the 40 yards again. I think I might have maxed out.

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Penage Guy wrote:
vitalymezh wrote:
It looks like 30 yd is a red line for springers in this challenge, sure for non-PAL's

I think you're right. Thirty five yards can be done, but 40 is awfully tough. If it can be done perhaps a 12fp rifle will be able to achieve that difficult challenge.


You may have a very valid point there PG! The 15-17 fpe on my TX might be a bit too much @ the 40 yard range. 35 yards is doable, but it'll be a daunting challenge for sure as I barely made the 30 yard challenge.

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My 97 also shoots in the 15-18 fpe range, why would be being over 12 fpe not be good?

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mike87gt wrote:
My 97 also shoots in the 15-18 fpe range, why would be being over 12 fpe not be good?

Being over 12fpe is not a bad thing at all. One of my best shooters, an HW98 .177 that is around 14 fpe, is very accurate. The thing is that the more power a springer has the greater the recoil, and the more challenging it can be to shoot accurately. Field target shooters often use 12 foot pound springers for that reason.


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Ah I get it, the same way that a really powerful PCP would could have low recoil, a more powerful springer would have more, makes sense now, Thx

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