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Hmmm....Jokes and Humor section.......

Seems some folks missed that part...

Because the subject is serious, and there is nothing wrong with good exchanges where good knowledge can be shared. When that happens we can all be better off.

Get`s people thinking. PS like your image.

Yup, kinda get tired of hearing him preaching about something and everything.

Chill out vegans, try to have a laugh......


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Gerard, I have nothing against vegetarians, vegans, etc. I have friends that follow these diets and they are great people. To judge someone based on their diet or any other life choices they make is not something I do. Misinformation is something that can get under my skin a bit, since for many, a lot of life decisions over the years have been based on it.

I would ask that you provide one scientific study that positively links the consumption of meat to the incidence of diabetes. I am not talking about surveys and correlation studies; they can be made to say anything you like. Scientific studies have controls that eliminate variables that may be responsible for the results.

Just a heads up for you to not spend too much time looking; they do not exist.

This is a quick read that does not say it all, but does summarize things in a short read.

http://www.abnormalliving.com/metabolic-syndrome/

I do not eat very much meat and always keep it to small portions since only about 20% of my calories consumed are protein. I think we eat more alike than you realize.

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Nice going Peter: now you have summoned yet another nut (no pun intended) who'll start preaching on how this is a family site and as such, has no place for such humour.

PS: good one!

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Hello Mac, I wouldn`t have doubted your taking better care of yourself, martial arts etc,

Here you go , site is called NutritionFacts.org, subject line , Plant based diets and diabetes (this is a video).or just put the word Diabetes in the search window and it will get you there , Lots of other good studies too, all based on science, 2+2=4 sort of..

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I've shot meat and plants alike with my AIRGUNS, and plants just don't die like meat does.

Much of the plant eating meat I shoot are vegans.

This thread reminds me of another recent, total waste of time, Apples vs oranges errrr PCs.... Two sides preaching to each other, showing little respect for the opinions of others, but instead wanting to brow-beat them into accepting their own point of view.... It makes me wonder if these topics should, in their own way, be considered "religions" and treated the same way as that topic, or politics, inside this Forum.... They all appear to be a total waste of time, only accomplishing splitting our already small community apart....

Bob

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I Never Ask you to eat meat. I don't care what you eat all the beater for you. Just stop telling other they are wrong to eat it.

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Last things first; your signature quote seems a little ironic, as you're using anecdotal evidence completely unsupported by any facts, basing your argument upon casual observation and personal opinion. Neil deGrasse Tyson would not be proud.

Sesame seeds, one of the highest quality protein sources, will grow in some of the harshest regions in the world, needing almost no topsoil and thriving in extremely hot, dry weather. Ditto for sunflower seeds, another excellent source of protein. Almonds need a lot of water to grow, but hazelnuts, walnuts, and several other tree nuts thrive on average rainfall and a lot of neglect (and an absence of grey squirrels). Most legumes can be grown in very poor soils with marginal water supply. Humans are not naturally 'of' extremely cold regions, though through our omnivorous nature many have been able to thrive in the far North by consuming primarily meat. It can easily be argued that living in such regions is a luxury, at least in a dietary sense, as the extremely inefficient nature of red meat production makes dwelling in such a climate possible. It is only through MASSIVE consumption of plant-based foods by smaller creatures then eating at the top of that food chain that whale meat or seal/walrus become practical for humans - humans are indirectly harvesting up to 9 times as much plant life as vegans in this case. With ungulate consumption (various deer, caribou, moose, elk etc) we're still eating at the top of the food chain, as are wolves in the same regions, but with fewer steps on the chain. The multiplication factor of raw resources is slightly reduced, but ungulates require vast quantities of plant material to produce the flesh humans consume, so the efficiency is still poor. The intelligence of humans, our ability to manage resources, could be turned away from finding more powerful, longer range snowmobiles to hunt dwindling populations of climate-stressed creatures, and towards the production of efficient greenhouse and food storage systems. Geothermal heat - widely available in the far North, if people would spend as much on drilling for heat as they do drilling for oil or diamonds - could be utilised in both electricity production for grow lights and heating for greenhouses, providing year-round plant-based food production. Your argument seems to presuppose a 'grazing' human, but we are far, far beyond mere collection of what happens to grow naturally in our regions so your argument is naive. Vegans are over-dependent upon transportation? HAH! How much plant-based feed needs to be produced then transported to grow your animal-based protein? Between 7 and 9 times the raw bulk. If one factors in the comparatively poor quality of animal feeds in factory farms (yay, meat is so healthy for us!) as compared to the grades of plant-based foods which humans consider desirable, this can be reduced by half owing to difficulties of producing such food - so between 3.5% and 4.5% as inefficient to produce meat as compared to a plant-based diet.

I'm not telling you any such thing. You may imagine that I am telling you to do something, but have I? Where are my words telling you or anyone else here what to do? A quote, please? Is information harmful? Hurtful? Dietary habits are absolutely relevant to health outcomes, that's all.

Tim;
Your proscriptive suggestion that I not waste my time with a search notwithstanding, as it's a clever strategy when one wants to misdirect another... here's a handful of the top Google results when searching just the terms 'meat' and 'diabetes' - these sources are from actual medical doctors and scientists using peer-reviewed data from large scale studies, unlike the 'not a doctor, nor do I play one on the internet' source you linked to.

Here's the American Diabetes Association weighing in:
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/9/2108


From WEbMD, reporting on a major study of red meat consumption in men and women in Singapore showing an increased risk of 48%:

http://www.m.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20 ... betes-risk

And here's Harvard Magazine concurring:

http://harvardmagazine.com/2012/01/a-di ... nk-to-meat
Another report on the same study:
http://www.wbur.org/npr/192810562/hot-d ... betes-risk

And for those not wanting to read anything, a fairly easy few minutes of video, again from an actual doctor:

From NutritionFacts.org, some information regarding meats, contaminants, outright toxins and their role in obesity and diabetes:

http://youtu.be/6t4tBmbPko8

I am not attacking anyone here. Merely passing along information. You may well be completely healthy, and that's great! I know a lot of healthy people who consume meat. My younger brother runs marathons and greater distances, and he's 53, and yes, he consumes animal products pretty close to daily. But as you say, in moderation. Small portions and high quality. Why does he run so far? Some years back when he was running a laboratory in another country he became too sedentary, was eating too much meat and refined carbohydrates owing to the very poor quality food supply in the region - a lot of new money leading to a loss of traditional dietary choices in favour of processed foods, causing a spike in heart disease and other health issues in the whole country - and he became too heavy and his blood pressure much, much too high. A doctor gave him a dire warning, so he changed his habits. With his exercise and much higher quality diet (thanks largely to being back in Canada) he's looking a decade younger. What I am criticising is the general tendency among meat eaters to avoid a healthy diet, to over-consume, especially all the associated elements which contribute to ill health. High quantities of low quality fats for example, present in fast foods and processed snacks and desserts. One can not exercise enough to counter the effects of such poor intake. The effects accumulate, and people become obese (over 30% of our population now and growing fast) and start dropping like flies.

And yes, I write a lot. Very quickly. So for any of you concerned about my time... when I hit my stride on my PC keyboard I'm going at 120wpm so this stuff really doesn't take very long to put together. Slower than reading it, so apologies for that... but then again, you don't have to read it, no one's forcing you, just as I'm not demanding that anyone change their diet.

What Bob wrote above is true.


Humour has a place everywhere. Here's an example of irony as humour when it comes to CAF being a family-friendly forum. Think back about the fellow who thought that it was a good idea that his kids point at each other with airguns and pretend to shoot (topic71861.html?hilit) Hopefully, this was only a lapse in judgment; unfortunately he is no doubt well-accustomed to them.