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YepYep
 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:42 pm 
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your located were ?
Ontario, Scarborough

And I just found some products in Amazon (US /CA) and eBay all have the said DOW -33 lubes... but nothing looks like yours...

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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
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ezplnkr wrote:
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I found there is only one W30 oil in CT, but it didn't say it's ND. And the ND oil you refered, did it mentioned it's W30?


Here's a pic of the oil that I purchased from CT; it does say 'SAE 30' and 'Non-Detergent'. The CT web site will tell you which location have it on stock.

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Thanks ~ actually the W30 oil is a well replacement for the Pellgunoil and it looks my Pellgunoil little tube can still last for a long time, I think I will do the switching at least after I finish it ~

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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:19 pm 
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YepYep wrote:
Ace wrote:
your located were ?
Ontario, Scarborough

And I just found some products in Amazon (US /CA) and eBay all have the said DOW -33 lubes... but nothing looks like yours...

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premium paintball products should carry the lube i mentioned or something very close to it
or Sargent splatters or badlands

this pic is of the spool valve in a Dye DM marker....just to show you why they use this kind of lube
a good DM marker shoots around 23 balls per second so the lube has to withstand all that friction...
theirs barely any friction on the P-17 its just from opening and closing...the piston is the only real moving part with an oring

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this is animation of an FEP Quest very similar spool valve to the DM the little green dots represent o-rings..
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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
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is this DOW Corning 33 products?

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OK good that's what you want to get
im not familiar with that brand but it should be the same

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YepYep wrote:
is this DOW Corning 33 products?


Just curious... with the 30W-ND oil, you just apply it to the piston and being a liquid, it would work its way down to the o-ring.

With the Dow-33 being a lube/grease, would you also simply apply this to the piston and would it somehow get to the 0-ring (presumably, transferred via the compression tube)? Or do you have to remove the piston to apply the lube directly to the o-ring?

Also, how often would you apply this grease? Every tin? Every 6 tins (3000 pellets)? As needed (when the FPS goes down)?
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YepYep wrote:
It is 30W-ND.


30W-ND = 30Weight-Non-Detergent
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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
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ezplnkr wrote:
YepYep wrote:
is this DOW Corning 33 products?


Just curious... with the 30W-ND oil, you just apply it to the piston and being a liquid, it would work its way down to the o-ring.

With the Dow-33 being a lube/grease, would you also simply apply this to the piston and would it somehow get to the 0-ring (presumably, transferred via the compression tube)? Or do you have to remove the piston to apply the lube directly to the o-ring?

Also, how often would you apply this grease? Every tin? Every 6 tins (3000 pellets)? As needed (when the FPS goes down)?


the Dow-33 should be applied directly to the o-ring, i'd say every two tines
the thing with the oil is it might not make its way to the actual face surface of the o-ring
because if your o-ring has a nice tight seal as it should your o-ring will act like a squeegee
and just move the oil away, that's why you need something that's going to penetrate into the o-ring
and stay there longer...

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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:28 pm 
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YepYep,

That Motomaster Moly grease is only 3-5 percent moly content. It's used for lubing gears. What you want is 60-70 percent Moly content. It will cost a lot more than the Moto-grease. You can buy a small jar from airgun shops or get more than you will ever need from an industrial supply store. A small jar goes a long way.

The 3-in-1 lithium grease that was posted is not like a silicone grease that could be used on the P pistols. You can use the silicone grease from Dow Corning or from a dive shop or even a high quality from a plumbing store. Or just go simple and use 30W-ND oil or Pellgun Oil. Silicone grease is great. The 30W oil has been fine in my pistol for over 18 years. Both choices are fine.
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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
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Here is another interesting example than lines up with this posting. I think they made a typo on the velocities.
http://xisicousa.com/xisicousawebsite/a ... o-xsp120d/
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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
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Here is a Canadian imported Chinese airgun. The Roebel S9 looks quite a bit like the P17. The little shield in the top right corner of the catalogue page says it has a 5 year warranty. I'm not sure why velocity is only 300fps. This pistol might just be the Chinese Xisico XSP120D.

http://www.belloutdoors.com/product/219-roebel-model-s9

I wonder how many of these pistols we have to order to get "CAF Favourite" on the side.... or maybe "The Canadian Plinker".
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Dow33, oring monkey. Well known to the paintball community. We go through a lot of orings and dow. Ace has it all right.

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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
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TCooper wrote:
Here is a Canadian imported Chinese airgun. The Roebel S9 looks quite a bit like the P17. The little shield in the top right corner of the catalogue page says it has a 5 year warranty. I'm not sure why velocity is only 300fps. This pistol might just be the Chinese Xisico XSP120D.

http://www.belloutdoors.com/product/219-roebel-model-s9

I wonder how many of these pistols we have to order to get "CAF Favourite" on the side.... or maybe "The Canadian Plinker".


I looked at their rifles. B-4. B-2. Has to be rebranded Xisico. What are the confirmed chrony numbers for a p17? Auto insurance? Funny.

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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
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jckstrthmghty wrote:
...What are the confirmed chrony numbers for a p17?....


My P17#1=412 fps, and P17#2=417 fps (average 2fps spreads), shooting RWS Hobby 7.0g wad cutters! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Beeman P3 vs P17?!
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I checked my P17 back in August and was getting an average of 394fps with 8.44gr Exact. The P17 is rated for 410fps but no pellet weight is mentioned.

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