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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:14 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:33 pm 
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"Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale is currently working on a new bill that would probably roll back some of the changes brought in by the Common Sense Act, including the more relaxed rules around transportation."

May be too soon to cheer just yet? At least the Libs aren't bent over like Trump is to completely undo everything the previous administration has. Hopefully there'll be some common sense left in the Common Sense Act.

Edit: don't take me wrong, I'm glad to see this small win in the name of common sense being implemented. Cop once wouldn't let me drive cause he noticed my driver's lic had expired a few days earlier. It is very easy to not remember to renew it, as we can all relate. But being charged under the criminal code for an expired firearms lic is truly absurd.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:32 am 
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Joolz wrote:
"Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale is currently working on a new bill that would probably roll back some of the changes brought in by the Common Sense Act, including the more relaxed rules around transportation."

May be too soon to cheer just yet? At least the Libs aren't bent over like Trump is to completely undo everything the previous administration has. Hopefully there'll be some common sense left in the Common Sense Act.

Edit: don't take me wrong, I'm glad to see this small win in the name of common sense being implemented. Cop once wouldn't let me drive cause he noticed my driver's lic had expired a few days earlier. It is very easy to not remember to renew it, as we can all relate. But being charged under the criminal code for an expired firearms lic is truly absurd.


They will send you a letter to renew several months before expiry and you will have to transfer your guns because its not processed in time. Happens a lot. Then you will get letters from them risking losing "YOUR" guns because they messed up.

I renewed a license in March, 2 weeks before my expiry in Aug I called them up because I didn't have my license yet. I ended up getting it a month after it expired.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:12 am 
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Best way to renew is online. Take a selfie, fill in the form, email both, that's it. I had mine back in about a month. I always start 6 months before expiry, just to be safe.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:01 pm 
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Heh, wish the same was true for driver's lic. Had mine expire on two occasions. Likely to happen again in the future. But why should the gov bother spending money on a reminder when they can just fine those that forget to renew in time. If not mistaken the fine is over $200. Nice little cash cow.
Good to know you get a reminder for the Pal. Suppose those that don't get the reminder may be the ones that move and don't inform the RCs of their new addresses.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:52 am 
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Joolz wrote:
Heh, wish the same was true for driver's lic. Had mine expire on two occasions. Likely to happen again in the future. But why should the gov bother spending money on a reminder when they can just fine those that forget to renew in time. If not mistaken the fine is over $200. Nice little cash cow.
Good to know you get a reminder for the Pal. Suppose those that don't get the reminder may be the ones that move and don't inform the RCs of their new addresses.


Big difference between a driver's license and a PAL
- You can own a car without having a valid license... You just can't drive it around.

While being in the possession of a firearm without a valid license is a criminal offense.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 am 
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sillymike wrote:
Joolz wrote:
Heh, wish the same was true for driver's lic. Had mine expire on two occasions. Likely to happen again in the future. But why should the gov bother spending money on a reminder when they can just fine those that forget to renew in time. If not mistaken the fine is over $200. Nice little cash cow.
Good to know you get a reminder for the Pal. Suppose those that don't get the reminder may be the ones that move and don't inform the RCs of their new addresses.


Big difference between a driver's license and a PAL
- You can own a car without having a valid license... You just can't drive it around.

While being in the possession of a firearm without a valid license is a criminal offense.


They will just take your non license away and fine you.

Same as the people with 5-6 DUI and no license.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:10 am 
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sillymike wrote:
Big difference between a driver's license and a PAL
- You can own a car without having a valid license... You just can't drive it around.

While being in the possession of a firearm without a valid license is a criminal offense.

Think you missed the point of the comment. But thanks for explaining that a car is not a firearm.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:23 am 
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Joolz wrote:
sillymike wrote:
Big difference between a driver's license and a PAL
- You can own a car without having a valid license... You just can't drive it around.

While being in the possession of a firearm without a valid license is a criminal offense.

Think you missed the point of the comment. But thanks for explaining that a car is not a firearm.


Renewing a drivers license takes an hour. Pay the 80$ and get a new picture, vola good for 5 years. Renewing a firearm license takes months and months, a lot of useless paperwork. Cannot just walk up and get it renewed the same day. Sometimes they actually forget or lose the paperwork. Making you into a criminal overnight once it expires. government is great at that.

When you renew in March, and you don't get your license till 2 - 3 weeks After it expired in Aug. That's BS. That's the purpose of this grace period. To make law abiding license people non criminals because government slow process times.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:34 pm 
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My 12/6 prohib. renewal took just over 5 months, due to ""They" are instructed to make prohibited renewals as laborious & dragged out as possible" - this from a RCMPolice S/SGT.

It is a good thing I applied 5 months ahead of my permit's expiry, however for 2 weeks I was in possession of a number of restricted and prohibited firearms for 2 weeks - without a license

to do so. I expected my doors to get kicked in any day, but that did not happen, however for those 2 weeks, I never left the house.

About the automatic conveyance. Goodale's response was straight BS - a lie - which is typical.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:09 pm 
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Daryl wrote:
My 12/6 prohib. renewal took just over 5 months, due to ""They" are instructed to make prohibited renewals as laborious & dragged out as possible" - this from a RCMPolice S/SGT.

It is a good thing I applied 5 months ahead of my permit's expiry, however for 2 weeks I was in possession of a number of restricted and prohibited firearms for 2 weeks - without a license

to do so. I expected my doors to get kicked in any day, but that did not happen, however for those 2 weeks, I never left the house.

About the automatic conveyance. Goodale's response was straight BS - a lie - which is typical.


I would like to go into the CFO office and renew on the spot. That would be a nice option.

Im going to renew in Jan and try it online.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:31 am 
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leadslinger wrote:
Renewing a drivers license takes an hour. Pay the 80$ and get a new picture, vola good for 5 years. Renewing a firearm license takes months and months, a lot of useless paperwork. Cannot just walk up and get it renewed the same day. Sometimes they actually forget or lose the paperwork. Making you into a criminal overnight once it expires. government is great at that.

When you renew in March, and you don't get your license till 2 - 3 weeks After it expired in Aug. That's BS. That's the purpose of this grace period. To make law abiding license people non criminals because government slow process times.

I agree 100%. But the point I was trying to make is, there's no reason for the gov to not send you a reminder that your driver's license is about to expire. They send you yearly reminders letting you know your vehicle registration is about to expire. There are also grave consequences to driving with an expired license. For one your insurance is void. This could cause someone a world of grief and possibly ruin one's life financially in the event of an accident.
The provincial gov knows this and still won't spend a few dollars sending you a reminder. Instead they seem to prefer raking in money from the fines law enforcement collects, as often they're the ones that find out your license has expired. Perhaps my initial post wasn't clear on this, so I hope this clarifies that.

But yeah, this pails in comparison to being made into a criminal should the same happen with a firearms license. Doesn't sound right when they know you've been following all the rules for the first 4 years and then puts you in the same category as someone that committed armed robbery, just because you missed a date. It's like the gov doesn't care whose lives they ruin.

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Joolz wrote:
leadslinger wrote:
Renewing a drivers license takes an hour. Pay the 80$ and get a new picture, vola good for 5 years. Renewing a firearm license takes months and months, a lot of useless paperwork. Cannot just walk up and get it renewed the same day. Sometimes they actually forget or lose the paperwork. Making you into a criminal overnight once it expires. government is great at that.

When you renew in March, and you don't get your license till 2 - 3 weeks After it expired in Aug. That's BS. That's the purpose of this grace period. To make law abiding license people non criminals because government slow process times.

I agree 100%. But the point I was trying to make is, there's no reason for the gov to not send you a reminder that your driver's license is about to expire. They send you yearly reminders letting you know your vehicle registration is about to expire. There are also grave consequences to driving with an expired license. For one your insurance is void. This could cause someone a world of grief and possibly ruin one's life financially in the event of an accident.
The provincial gov knows this and still won't spend a few dollars sending you a reminder. Instead they seem to prefer raking in money from the fines law enforcement collects, as often they're the ones that find out your license has expired. Perhaps my initial post wasn't clear on this, so I hope this clarifies that.

But yeah, this pails in comparison to being made into a criminal should the same happen with a firearms license. Doesn't sound right when they know you've been following all the rules for the first 4 years and then puts you in the same category as someone that committed armed robbery, just because you missed a date. It's like the gov doesn't care whose lives they ruin.


Odd because I get a reminder that my drivers license to expire. Because I renewed it this year when I moved as well.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:15 pm 
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leadslinger wrote:
Odd because I get a reminder that my drivers license to expire. Will be getting one soon actually due to it will expired in Aug. Same as my PAL.


Not in AB, you don't. Which is a huge gripe of mine as I was caught twice with an expired DL. What would have cost under a buck to remind us about it instead turned into a few hundreds in fines. Thus my conclusion that this is a cash cow that the AB government is more than content to continue milking.

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