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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:35 am 
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I realize B.B. shooters aren’t everyone’s cup of tea. But, I think it would be hard for anyone to argue their fun factor, which is what they are designed for.

I have a few Daisy B.B. rifles kicking around and thought I’d do an accuracy comparison with two of my favorites, the Red Ryder and the Model 25. This is not a definitive test, more just a fun experiment.

I used the same Daisy zinc coated bb’s in each gun, not their Avanti premium bb’s, just the regular run of the mill ones we’d all use on a daily basis. These are both current models of each gun.
I figured I’d kick things up a notch and see how they fared at the full length of my indoor range, 39 feet. No, they maybe aren’t “supposed” to be used at this distance, but it’s more interesting than standing back 10 paces where these guns would normally be performing.

I fired several 10 shot groups with each and the pictured targets are quite representative of the average performance of each at this distance.

I was surprised with a few of the results. First, the Red Ryder was far and away more accurate at this distance. The average group was just a tad greater than 2.1 inches center to center. The Model 25 averaged about 4.25 inches center to center. Secondly, the Red Ryder did have a couple of more erratic shots, but the majority of them would group within about 1 inch. I did not expect such repeatable accuracy from this classic B.B. shooter.

At the end of the day, if these results were with pellets, I’d be unhappy at the given distance. However, considering the price point and results with the Red Ryder, it has proven to be a useful can shooter out to a far greater distance than most would consider shooting them at. I’d recommend the Red Ryder to both new an old shooters alike!


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:42 pm 
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Surprising indeed. I owned both as a kid, and I would have taken the 25 over the Red Ryder any day for accuracy (and power). One thing I learned as well: The 25 was far more demanding of regular squirts of oil to remain consistent.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:26 pm 
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I also love BB guns. I have 2 RedRyders, the Marlin and when they brought back the Mod.25 I jumped on it having heard tales of pretty good accuracy... but when I gave it a try I was less than thrilled. I had the same kind of result you did.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:31 am 
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Bought a Red Ryder and shot it at 9 yards as a stock, I find it promising and found it very hard to put it down, so I decided to see if there were any mods available, hardly found one to improve the accuracy, mostly conmetics, I notice that as stock, the trigger pull is very heavy, and I decided to take a look and found a way to lighten it up, change the 2 internal spring with a lighter one and the trigger pull is now very nice, as i notice before the mod that when I shoot the gun, it will take me around 30 shots and you can feel your trigger finger to be sore, after the spring has been change the accuracy has improved a lot and it now has a much nicer trigger pull, i also change the stock to a longer one from wood laying around the garage, and JB weld a dovetail rail on top to accommodate a 4x15 scope. here is a picture of a 6 shot group at 9 yards with a cr2032 battery for reference and the stock that i have put in.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:46 am 
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My grandson's Marlin Cowboy is surprisingly accurate. 10 out of 10 on a soda can at 15 paces.
I was not expecting that much consistency out of it.
I get slightly tighter performance out of my MP-40 on S/A, but I doubt it's the velocity equal of the Cowboy.
If they ever put the R/R back on sale, I may consider it. The Cowboy languishes in it's case- not being shot much at all....
I had better leave the R/R idea alone for the time being.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:28 am 
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Nice write-up on the comparison.

For the Red Ryder, there is an extra spring they put in the trigger unit for safety as it's targeted for kids. You can remove that one to improve the trigger pull.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:33 am 
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Doc,

Maybe this will sway you?

https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/refurbished-red-ryder-bb-gun/A-p8802688e


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:50 am 
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pistolero wrote:
Bought a Red Ryder and shot it at 9 yards as a stock, I find it promising and found it very hard to put it down, so I decided to see if there were any mods available, hardly found one to improve the accuracy, mostly conmetics, I notice that as stock, the trigger pull is very heavy, and I decided to take a look and found a way to lighten it up, change the 2 internal spring with a lighter one and the trigger pull is now very nice, as i notice before the mod that when I shoot the gun, it will take me around 30 shots and you can feel your trigger finger to be sore, after the spring has been change the accuracy has improved a lot and it now has a much nicer trigger pull, i also change the stock to a longer one from wood laying around the garage, and JB weld a dovetail rail on top to accommodate a 4x15 scope. here is a picture of a 6 shot group at 9 yards with a cr2032 battery for reference and the stock that i have put in.


Nice work on the Daisy! These Red Ryder’s are a lot of fun. And apparently pretty consistent in their accuracy.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:12 pm 
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The most fun for this is that I get to re use the bb's and pick it up in one swipe of a magnet, very easy to pick up and no need to buy a lot of ammo. :rolleyes:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:13 pm 
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i bought one that i leave out in the garage. and use it as a target tester when i make my different targets. it works good enough. i was thinking of modding it with these but figured in the end they would cost more than the gun. i think you can still get these from chief aj. they would make it look pretty cool tho.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:18 am 
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What does a Daisy Buck compare to the Red Ryder?
I tried last night my Buck vs Crosman 2100 with BBs and the 2100 runs rings around the buck.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:34 am 
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I think the buck is the same as the red ryder in mechanism but with a shorter barrel and a short shot tube, according to their web site
Red Ryder
Weight: 2.20 lbs.
Action: Lever cocking, spring air
Sights: Blade and ramp front/Adjustable open rear
Safety: Crossbolt trigger block
Max. Muzzle Velocity: 350 fps
Overall Length: 35.4”
Caliber: .177 cal. (4.5 mm) BB
Stock/Forearm/Grip: Stained solid wood
Barrel: Smooth bore steel
Max. Shooting Distance: 195 yards
Capacity: 650 shot
Receiver: Stamped metal, saddle ring with leather thong

BUCK
Weight: 1.60 lbs.
Action: Lever cocking, spring air
Sights: Blade and ramp front sight. Fixed open rear.
Safety: Crossbolt trigger block
Max. Muzzle Velocity: 350 fps
Overall Length: 29.8”
Caliber: .177 cal. (4.5 mm) BB
Stock/Forearm/Grip: Stained solid wood
Barrel: Smooth bore steel
Max. Shooting Distance: 195 yards
Capacity: 400 shot
Receiver: Stamped metal


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:43 am 
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Maybe today, I'll run to the farm and borrow the Red Ryder.

The buck shoots slower FPS, then the Red Ryder and the lever mechanism is different. The Buck has a ratcheting lever, feels, and sounds like it. Where the RR doesn't.

Pyramydair lists the Buck being Max 275 FPS, and the RR at 350.

But I was talking about accuracy wise between the 2.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:08 pm 
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Red Ryder is surprising accurate. I never changed anything from stock just added 4x15 scope and it can hit a 8" round metal plate out at 40 yards easy, 30 yards to a large soup can is 7/10 and hitting golf ball 4/5 at 15 yards. We also tried with a tiny red lid of Iögo Nanö Drinkable Yogurt at 12 yards, about 4/5 all the times we can get! From 5-15 yards almost no need to hold over/down and it hits where you aimed.

The only thing is velocity, it is about 260-280 all the time, consistent but way behind the advertised 350 fps.
Anyone did a power mode here?

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