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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:25 pm 
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Airgun Archery is in Manitoba, check the website, https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/air-rifles/, you can PM Wes here in the forum or email him at wesleyb@airgunarcheryfun.ca, guaranteed very good service.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:29 pm 
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pistolero wrote:
Airgun Archery is in Manitoba, check the website, https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/air-rifles/, you can PM Wes here in the forum or email him at wesleyb@airgunarcheryfun.ca, guaranteed very good service.



Thanks for response pistolero - I have added them to my list of Canadian suppliers

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:22 am 
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Thanks! Actually located in Saskatchewan, but close anyway =)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:19 am 
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I noticed nobody recommended any break barrel breach pistols, should they just be kept for rifles? Generally to hard to break having no leverage?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:08 am 
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yannicksjh wrote:
I noticed nobody recommended any break barrel breach pistols, should they just be kept for rifles? Generally to hard to break having no leverage?


Look for a used Webley Alecto - very easy to do one pump; and gets harder to do a max of 3 pumps...

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/?s=alecto&btnGo=


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:22 am 
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[emoji38] there are still a few break barrel springers in pistols, however not that popular and much fewer choices and not very good choices either...

I have the Buckmark which is too weak of power. Then a Hatsan Mod-25, and a HW45 ( don't know if we can call the HW45 a 'break barrel' or not, as it cocks as the HW30, just the power plant is spring and much stronger then HW30 / P17)...

Springers in rifle is so popular because it's very easy to maintain, repair, mod... and can be very powerful plus durable, reliable.... But looks these many advantages are not going to happen when you size them down to put into a pistol.... So....

Like the recoil on my Mod-25 just keep pushing the red dot backwards and biting the mount of the red dot. And the strong vibration while you shoot makes it very challenge to shoot well... So, maybe not a good choice for the first some air guns... Just my 2 cents and some other senior shooters here have been shooting for decades may give you better answer ~

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:24 am 
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yannicksjh wrote:
I noticed nobody recommended any break barrel breach pistols, should they just be kept for rifles? Generally to hard to break having no leverage?


Well spring airguns take some magic to shoot accurately, put it in a pistol form. Its much harder.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:53 am 
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Makes sense about what you guys are saying about springers in a pistol. Is the HW45 considered a break barrel? Either way don't think I'm ready to spend that much on a pistol right now but looks to be a nice shooter. The only reason I'm mentioning a break barrel pistol is that I'm interested in the various power plants in both rifles/pistols (with out getting into PCP's just yet).

I'm probably going to get some slack for even mentioning this pistol.....The Benjamin Trail NP but what makes it so bad besides the heavy trigger, seems with the NP it wouldn't be as hard the break and have a lot less vibration with descent power. My guess is with the trigger (which i'm not sure can be modded) you lose all accuracy?

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NP has just as much if not more recoil as a springer. If you are ok with general accuracy, hitting a tin can, then ok. If you want to stack pellets it's the wrong choice. Even in a rifle it take a lot of practice to extract the accuracy of a springer or NP by learning how to hold it correctly.

Stay away from modding a springer or NP trigger until you know what you are doing. Has to pass the bump test. My advice just don't do it for now.

Most air pistols in Canada are under 495 fps and probably closer to 400fps. Over 500fps and it's a restricted firearm with all the laws that goes along with it.

HW45 is a SSP. Single stroke pneumatic. Essentially a pcp with one shot. Ideal for accuracy.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:44 am 
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jckstrthmghty wrote:
NP has just as much if not more recoil as a springer. If you are ok with general accuracy, hitting a tin can, then ok. If you want to stack pellets it's the wrong choice. Even in a rifle it take a lot of practice to extract the accuracy of a springer or NP by learning how to hold it correctly.

Stay away from modding a springer or NP trigger until you know what you are doing. Has to pass the bump test. My advice just don't do it for now.

Most air pistols in Canada are under 495 fps and probably closer to 400fps. Over 500fps and it's a restricted firearm with all the laws that goes along with it.

HW45 is a SSP. Single stroke pneumatic. Essentially a pcp with one shot. Ideal for accuracy.


Thanks, no plans on modding anything at this point, just want a couple descent pistols out of the box

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:25 pm 
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jckstrthmghty wrote:
HW45 is a SSP. Single stroke pneumatic. Essentially a pcp with one shot. Ideal for accuracy.

hehe~ I think you mean HW30 and just picked the wrong word from the quick input memory from your keyboard right?

HW45 is a very huge and nice built spring powered pistol (not SSP). It's very accurate if you get used to it. But not a good choice for the first gun ~ maybe it may scare you and let you think why a gun that expensive can shoot that bad.... But maybe a must have on your collection later in the future.

For out of box shooters, P17, HW30, Chaser, 2240 will all be the good choice ~ first two are .177, following two are .22 caliber.

If you don't want to mod anything, go for a Chaser will be better than the 2240. You get almost everything essential stuff in one package... But so far, didn't see many possibility in moding this one... But the 2240, you can just make it become much much much better no matter what for looks or for performance so easily... So I think one day you will get one too ~


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:53 pm 
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Whoops. Sorry about that. HW45 = springer. Thanks YepYep.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:00 pm 
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O.K great, I've pretty much made up my mind with all your help. Going with a P17 and a Chaser for now. I guess a little off topic since thread consist of "looking for a pistol" but since I'm going with the Chaser should I opt for the Rifle kit on it as well (if there's any stock anywhere anyway) so I have the option to use it both ways or waste of extra money? Also does anyone have any positive experience with the available mag for it or keep it single load?

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Mine is a fully loaded Carbine kit with camo look, multi shot mags. ( Scope and the bi-pod are not included in the kit ~ :winks:)

With a shoulder stock can help you shoot the gun more accurately... I think it worth the money. ( Same if one day you buy the 2240, the shoulder stock will be a great add on to the pistol )

But, keep in mind, although with the stock, it's still a small size carbine, and you may need to make extra adjustment for your pose between shooting the Chaser and other full / normal size rifles.

You can contact Wes for the Chaser, mine was bought from him too ~ Top quality service and good price ~

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:30 pm 
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Size comparison...

From top to bottom...

Full size rifle - HW35E
Rifle for young shooters - HW30S
Chaser with rifle kit (shoulder stock and long barrel)
2240 with 14 inches barrel and shoulder stock

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