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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:55 pm 
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Whatever they are planning, it will be unfortunate, and of course there is a big group of anti gun activists pushing for firearms bans. But as far as banning firearms altogether, I think we are a long way off. Canada has millions of guns, owned by overwhelmingly law abiding citizens, and with first nations rights being more and more in the spotlight, we have a good counter argument that the left needs to cater to. They want to be seen as upholding First Nations rights and they can't do that while they are taking away everyone's guns.
Gary Brietkreuz did a great job of partnering with First Nations groups in bringing down the firearms registry, and we have powerful allies there.
Pistols and AR style rifles are low hanging fruit for the liberals. The fact they are leaving banning pistols up to the cities shows they know they'd be in big trouble if they tried banning them nationally.
Even Trudeau has spoke up about his fond memories shooting targets with rifles as a young person and that he recognizes the joy and benefit of the sport. I don't think a firearms ban is coming anytime soon. They already have a western separation movement on their hands. Any talk of a total ban on firearms would be the last straw for westerners, and I'm sure many easterners would be packing their bags to join the movement! 8)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:12 pm 
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BTW, how about the Bill C71 now?
I finished my courses today and instructor was talking about the Bill C71 which removing the conditions from the current PAL...

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:31 am 
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BTW, how about the Bill C71 now?
I finished my courses today and instructor was talking about the Bill C71 which removing the conditions from the current PAL...

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Well it passed, and got the Royal Assent in June. I'm not sure whats going on with it, doesn't seem enforced yet.

Conditions of the PAL isn't the big problem with it. Though the conditions never applied to take things to the post office, and getting a STATT SUCKS. It opens a back door registry. Because a person would have to contact the CFP in order to get a reference number to be approved to transfer, to give to the seller. So they know you are buying something. And it allows RCMP to make whatever laws they want.

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Yeah, it passed but our instructor didn't tell us more about it except we might get notice about the changes when 2, 3 months later we get our new PAL...

(The 350$ is just for the course and test. When we mail in our application to RCMP, they will change another $80 non refundable process fee...and following comes the renew fee every 5 years... It did open a gate to spend more money ~ )

Isn't that we already need to follow the seller call to get reference number and pass it to buyer, then buyer call again to confirm he's ( she's) the buyer of that firearm and finish the transferring process now? Instructor did mention this process to us... And a question here, restricted firearms will be only purchase face to face and never allowed to be posted?! (The posting service ppl won't have the ATT for your Glock, right?)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:59 am 
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YepYep wrote:
Yeah, it passed but our instructor didn't tell us more about it except we might get notice about the changes when 2, 3 months later we get our new PAL...

(The 350$ is just for the course and test. When we mail in our application to RCMP, they will change another $80 non refundable process fee...and following comes the renew fee every 5 years... It did open a gate to spend more money ~ )

Isn't that we already need to follow the seller call to get reference number and pass it to buyer, then buyer call again to confirm he's ( she's) the buyer of that firearm and finish the transferring process now? Instructor did mention this process to us... And a question here, restricted firearms will be only purchase face to face and never allowed to be posted?! (The posting service ppl won't have the ATT for your Glock, right?)


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Nobody really knows whats going on. So it's just hearsay. Jesus !! I paid 115$, taxes included. For both my non and restricted course/test, down at the community college. Then 80$ when I applied for my license.

Restricted firearms, there is a requirement to call and get a reference number for a transfer. As for Non restricted, there isn't. Some call to validate someone license. But as per the CC someone word is good enough. But some like to cover their arse, and ask for the number.

But C71, would require a seller to call, to get a ref #, to give the buyer. Basically asking for permission to buy/sell. There is already laws in place to validate someone license. So its just someone trying to justify their job, and make a back door registry. Because now they know Johnny is selling Jimmy something.

Firearm bans and classification has to go thru the Senate to pass, but C71, gives the power to the RCMP to decide.

The changes in the conditions, Would be like the old method, for those who remember them. Would make you have to call the CFO to get an authorization to transport your restricted firearms, to and from gun shops/smiths, for appraisal, or repairs, ranges etc. Right now, the current conditions, you don't. Meaning if a gun needs to be repaired, I'm legally allowed to transport it by law to it, anytime.


As for the post office. The conditions of your license never allowed you to take them to the post office, you always have to call them, tell them you sold this gun ref # and you want to drive to the post office to ship it, at this time, this location... You don't need a ATT to pick up from the post office, because it's just a package. Ways around not needing to the call the CFO to get an ATT to take to the post office, would be getting them to pick up.

So if I sold you my CZ, once the transfer is approved. I don't own it. You do, so that's why you gotta ask for an ATT to take it to the post office to ship.

I bought and sold well over 100 firearms pre and post registry. I never really did F2F dealings. 98% of my dealings were online, where I never even seen a person face, or their voice.

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So, that means with the C71, we are back to the before to need an approved transfer number to buy and sell non restricted firearms like high power air rifles?! ( Because actually this process never changed on the pistols... )

And they just have the right to Not approve the transfer and keep a record who owns what in their database then... Plus, who wants what too...

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YepYep wrote:
So, that means with the C71, we are back to the before to need an approved transfer number to buy and sell non restricted firearms like high power air rifles?! ( Because actually this process never changed on the pistols... )

And they just have the right to Not approve the transfer and keep a record who owns what in their database then... Plus, who wants what too...

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Here is a brief overview of what Bill C-71 Amendments to the Canadian Firearms Act means to you:

Background checks for criminal violence and any mental illness will be conducted over the life of the individual, not the previous five year period.
Both business and private sales of all firearms are subject to computerized license verification. Non-Restricted firearms transfers will not have the information regarding the firearm recorded.
Businesses are required to keep records which will include the individual’s information and all information regarding the firearm(s) transferred. The business must keep the records for 20 years unless the business ceases to be a business. In that case all records must be surrendered to the authorities.
Authorizations to Transport have been gutted. The only permitted uses are to shooting ranges and Purchase-to-Home, but will still include “all ranges in province”. All currently held ATTs will be revoked on passage of Bill 71.
All of the Swiss Arms Classic series and all CZ-858s will be made 12(9) Prohibited. The owners of these rifles will be Grandfathered and permitted to transport to a range for the purposes of target shooting.
The power of the Governing Council to declare any firearm to be Non-Restricted has been revoked. The Governing Council may still be used to declare any firearms to be restricted or prohibited.
UN Firearms Marking will be issued in a Technical amendment


Correct. It be like if we had the LGR again. I will have to call in, give my information, then they will give me a reference number to give to the seller. He would have to call in, provide his info, and the reference number in order to be like OKAY you can purchase whatever you are buying. When they say no information on the firearm will be recorded, that a lie.. They will poke for info. They were suppose to destroy the long gun registry, But it's still around. And combined with the store having to keep records for 20 years. They can goto the store and check the records.

UN markings will increase the cost of firearms, esp airguns. UN is useless.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 pm 
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Sigh.....

How about import a PAL rated rifle from the States or Europe?? I don't think the seller / store would bother to 'help' you finish the transfer process then mail the gun to you....

They just really want to ban every gun in this country... It's just step by step process...

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:14 pm 
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There was a beginning and there is an end goal.
The beginning started back around 1935, I think it was, when handguns & fully automatic firearms were declared restricted firearms
and Federal permits & registrations were required.
Over the years, other more restrictive laws have been passed, but only one rescinded as with the LGR.

The end goad is for the complete removal of firearms from public ownership. That is the end goal and always has been the end goal.
All gun laws, restrictions etc, past and present, are simply steps towards the end goal, that of complete disarmament.
It is the same SOP world wide & complete disarmament is necessary for Socialist or Totalitarian governments to survive. The people must
not have a say in how they are governed. Thus, disarmament is necessary.
Gun laws have nothing to do with public safety. That is simply the excuse governments give for all gun law changes, on the road to
complete disarmament.

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Yes! That's the point!

It's really nothing due to public safety but just for an easy governing environment for the government as you can say NO, but you can't do anything... It's just like the ancient China, ppl need to share one kitchen knife for every ten families... And all the metals surrendered to the government to make 10 giant cooper statues...

Why the public can't see this and looks everybody just afraid there is a gun in the neighbor's house....

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:00 pm 
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Daryl wrote:
There was a beginning and there is an end goal.
The beginning started back around 1935, I think it was, when handguns & fully automatic firearms were declared restricted firearms
and Federal permits & registrations were required.
Over the years, other more restrictive laws have been passed, but only one rescinded as with the LGR.

The end goad is for the complete removal of firearms from public ownership. That is the end goal and always has been the end goal.
All gun laws, restrictions etc, past and present, are simply steps towards the end goal, that of complete disarmament.
It is the same SOP world wide & complete disarmament is necessary for Socialist or Totalitarian governments to survive. The people must
not have a say in how they are governed. Thus, disarmament is necessary.
Gun laws have nothing to do with public safety. That is simply the excuse governments give for all gun law changes, on the road to
complete disarmament.


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Oh yes.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:09 pm 
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Daryl wrote:
Oh yes.

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