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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 2:06 pm 
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Tried several positions, but finally it's still on the upward way although not as high as the original setup I tried and pictured.

I only filed the inner plate showed below and didn't touch the rubber pad. Maybe so, a smaller (much smaller) inner plate with the full size rubber pad is funky enough. But the full size rubber pad takes bigger contact area on the shoulder feel more comfortable... Image

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 2:08 pm 
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Hey Daryl, mind I ask how tall are you? I am just about 170mm, and in medium shape (150lbs)... I am thinking if I have a shorter neck than you?!


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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:50 am 
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6'1" - or used to me - LOL
My shooting "position" has not changed since I was 180 pounds.
Currently a 'trimmed-up' (ie: fat) 230.

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:25 am 
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[emoji38] I think that explains something as the other rifle with adjustable stock I was shouldered was from someone similar to me, 170/180mm tall and about 150/160lbs... However that's a 11lbs full size target rifle and here is a 6lbs young size HW30...

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:37 am 
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I find it difficult to visualize how you could get a cheek weld on the comb, with the butt plate so high, unless you hold your shoulder high when shooting.
The gun should be raised to your face with shoulder low, elbow raised, not shoulder raised then gun brought up and face scrunched down onto the comb.
Maybe I just do not understand your stance and profile? I had people on my squad who were of your stature. They had no trouble with the shotguns or rifles,
shouldering properly.
I'm confused, but use whatever feels good to you. :D
That's the important thing.

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:10 pm 
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Yeah... I knew that would be a problem since the beginning as I never visited a gun range and hadn't a long enough time to shoot with other experienced fellow shooters....

So actually I need to keep the shoulder low (how low?) and don't lean the head towards the stock to align the major eye through the scope?!

But from the sbooting videos, I saw ppl usually would raise the shoulder upper than the normal relaxing down positions... ImageImage

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:49 pm 
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In the upper picture, you have a low elbow and raised shoulder.
In the lower picture the rifle's butt is not on your shoulder/pectoral muscle.
Raising your elbow will automatically lower your shoulder.
The butt plate or pad goes on the pectoral muscle.
The type of rifle does not matter, as long as it has a flat or shotgun butt.
A hooked butt fits into the pocket of the shoulder/arm, with the stock's toe in the arm pit.


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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 4:03 pm 
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He's Chris, BassPro champion shooter. I just randomly got this video from YouTube 's search result in the morning...

The lower screen shot was demonstrating how to grip the rifle with the left hand. And the right shoulder is in normal relaxing position... (Not a shooting pose)

And the upper screen shot was demonstrating the shooting...

However it's an AR powder burner... But I think that won't make much difference when you shoot a ait rifle, right?

And I looks used to shouldering the gun similar to that with raised shoulder ... However didn't notice this before now...

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:05 pm 
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Nice like the high gloss look of it


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 2:44 pm 
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Daryl wrote:
In the upper picture, you have a low elbow and raised shoulder.
In the lower picture the rifle's butt is not on your shoulder/pectoral muscle.
Raising your elbow will automatically lower your shoulder.
The butt plate or pad goes on the pectoral muscle.
The type of rifle does not matter, as long as it has a flat or shotgun butt.
A hooked butt fits into the pocket of the shoulder/arm, with the stock's toe in the arm pit.
Yep!! I saw this pose before too and actually forgot I wanted to ask is there different purpose for this raised elbow with lowered shoulder pose vs the other keep the elbow to the body and with a raised shoulder pose before...

Tried this and that's so true my shoulder automatically lowered down and I feel better with the butt pad lowered down too!

In my application, I shoot rested on the chair as the bench most of the time in the house now, and the target box is placed a little bit higher than my shooting bench on another cabinet at the far end, I feel better with the elbow close to the body and lay on the bench to support the stock... So I would keep the butt pad as it is now.

And when shooting non bench rested, I found open up the elbow do give me a more stable shooting aiming condition and I think I would need to adjust the butt pad to suit that pose then...

The adjustable butt pad is just so useful ~


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 2:58 pm 
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I think low elbow is to reduce target size during fights. It does raise the shoulder though.
Yes - adjustable butt pads are quite useful. With rest position ie: bench-resting shooting, the rest should be
as low as possible. This flattens or lowers the body, more spread out and is more stable than an upright position.
I think different positions are necessary with different stock designs which actually are prevalent or prevail in
different countries or areas.
The euro-method, is standing straight upright and to bring the gun up to the face, the (adjustable) butt plate positioned
so it fits in the pocket, or with a hooked Olympic style, the hook goes under the arm pit.
The American method is a much lower mounted scope or sights & an high comb which causes one to crank the head over
the comb and stock crawl - moving the face on the comb, up towards the thumb. Due to this stock crawling, many people
who shoot this method, hold their thumb over on the side of the wrist, not over the top of the wrist.
I guess it's pretty much your choice.
For accurate shooting offhand, the straighter the body, straighter the neck, flatter your eyes are to the horizon, the better
your balance and the better/more accurately you will shoot. Scrunched over a comb, your eyes are more slanted to the horizon
and the more your own equilibrium/balance is screwed up. This also makes a smaller target for returning fire - which is not a
consideration when shooting our air guns, normally. We are after better accuracy, not to present a smaller target to an enemy.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 4:07 pm 
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Thanks~ learned a lot~
Cheers! :drinkers:

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Got the Apex Muzzle Brake/Weight from Maccari delivered today... My HW30 'looks' 'completed'~ ImageImage

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Wow, looks really good!

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Thanks~ My daughter said it looks better than before too~ [emoji38]

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