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 Post subject: Re: This is bad
PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:29 pm 
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To add some humor. But Military have tanks, armored vechs, grenades and automatics. Would walk over the avg farmer.

2.3 million firearm owner, how many actually fight for rights? Problem we have is we are split as gun owners. You got the stubborn old school hunters ( with a name that people call them ) that doesn't care about anything BUT their hunting rifles, or shotguns. Then the Avg that supports both.

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 Post subject: Re: This is bad
PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:35 pm 
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To add some humor. But Military have tanks, armored vechs, grenades and automatics. Would walk over the avg farmer.

2.3 million firearm owner, how many actually fight for rights? Problem we have is we are split as gun owners. You got the stubborn old school hunters ( with a name that people call them ) that doesn't care about anything BUT their hunting rifles, or shotguns. Then the Avg that supports both.


Don't forget they figure there are at least as many unlicensed otherwise law abiding gun owners as licensed ones.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 11:08 pm 
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In case you haven't seen this .....
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Letter to the Honourable Bill Blair

May 8th, 2020

Dear Minister Blair,

I am writing to bring your attention to what I can only believe is an accidental error. We trust that once you become aware of this oversight, you will speedily move to make the appropriate corrections.

By including firearms used by millions of Canadian hunters and sport shooters, you not only violated your previous promise not to do so, but you inadvertently penalized millions of law-abiding firearms owners, both hunters and sport shooters, and destroyed hundreds of small Canadian businesses that sell firearms and other sporting equipment, all without increasing public safety. It serves no good public safety purpose to deliberately alienate one of the most law-abiding segments of our community.

Contrary to your promises made earlier, the recent ban on "assault-style firearms," inappropriately included a large number of sporting rifles and shotguns. For example, on 31 January 2020, a spokesperson in your office stated, "We … will not target guns designed for hunting. Hunters, farmers, and law-abiding recreational gun owners will be treated with fairness and respect as we work together to keep our communities safe."

https://thepostmillennial.com/bill-blai ... Fs-CgDooKQ

The ban casts an incredibly wide net. Apparently, inadvertently, it ensnares a number of civilian rifles and shotguns that are widely used by hunters and sport shooters across Canada. Knowing that you are an honourable person, it is inconceivable for us to believe your office would intentionally ban hundreds of thousands of firearms used legitimately by millions of Canadians in a safe and responsible manner. If not rescinded, this would be a devastating blow to Canadian hunters and sport shooters as well as to the Olympic shooting sports.

Acting on behalf of 43,000 B. C. Wildlife Federation members, I request that you instruct your office to remove the many civilian rifles and shotguns that are on this list, that have been inadvertently prohibited through carelessly expediting the drafting of this Order-in-Council. It is inconceivable that it serves any public safety purpose to ban standard large-calibre hunting rifles and common semi-automatic rifles. The Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30 that are banned are among the most common firearms in the country, used by hunters, sport shooters, and agriculturalists.The announcement of the new prohibitions was entitled, "a ban on assault-style weapons," although the ban casts an exceptionally wide net. To be sure, it includes firearms that resemble military firearms, which have been labelled "assault-style weapons," but it also includes an amazingly wide sample of firearms and militaria. In addition to banning common sporting firearms, the ban also includes: mortars, crew-served anti-tank weapons, missile launchers, small-bore rifles, Airsoft guns, a bizarre array of harmless contraptions also called "guns." The variety is truly mind-boggling.

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/ ... e-firearms

Perhaps amusingly, it appears your government may have prohibited the beloved T-shirt launcher that is featured prominently at many baseball and basketball games as well as the dreaded potato gun. Whether or not this was intentional, Canada will not be safer for it, and sports fans may not be pleased. Perhaps the ban may have also intentionally eliminated the fireworks launchers that produce such awesome displays on Canada Day, although many Canadians will be disappointed. Your office has indeed cast a wide net – and all for public safety.

It might help educate your staff if I point out that gang violence is the most prominent threat to public safety in Canada, not licensed firearms owners, whether hunters, sport shooters, or Canadians who own firearms for historical, cultural, agricultural, or as part of their military or police service. According to Statistics Canada data, almost half (47%) of firearm homicides are gang related. Lawful firearm owners are rarely involved. Just 2% of accused murderers had a valid firearms license.

Licensed gun owners are much less likely to be murderous than other Canadians. As Professor Gary Mauser reported to the Senate of Canada, licensed gun owners had a homicide rate of 0.67 per 100,000 licensed gun owners over the 11-year period (2006-2016). In contrast, the average national homicide rate (including gun owners) was 2.12 per 100,000 adults during the same period.

As I'm confident you know, hunters are law-abiding and bring value to their communities.

Over 1.3 million Canadians, in all provinces and territories, have a hunting license. You may be surprised to learn that roughly half of Canada's hunters live in larger cities. Hunting spending in Canada totaled $5.9 billion in 2018. The resulting contribution to GDP was $4.1 billion. Hunting supported 33,000 jobs and generated just under $2 billion in labour revenue.

https://www.conferenceboard.ca/research ... t-shooting

Many Canadian families and Indigenous peoples depend upon hunting to provide food for the family table through legal harvesting, with the added benefit of getting out in the wilderness, as well as spending time with family and friends.Hunters are the largest contributors to conservation, as the money they pay for licenses goes into securing conservation lands or funding projects to manage wildlife.

The ban may also catch shotguns used in trap and skeet as well as hunting. Millions of Canadians enjoy target sports and own these types of firearms, including Olympic athletes. An estimated 1.4 million Canadian target shooters spent over $2.6 billion in 2018. This includes shotgun sports, rifle and handgun target shooting. The target sports bring value to Canada and to the communities that host the meets, including tourism and supporting small businesses, often in small towns where the revenue is sorely needed. This spending boosted GDP by $1.8 billion, supported 14,000 jobs, and generated $868 million in labour revenue (2018).

Canada has a long and proud history of competitive marksmanship. Throughout the 20th Century and into the 21st, Canadians have volunteered to help protect the free world from aggression. It is important for Canadian national sovereignty that Canadian civilians be prepared to participate in military activities in times of national need. Times like world war II, Korean War, Viet Nam, and more recently, in Afghanistan.

To sum up, we trust that once you become aware of this oversight, you will speedily move to make the appropriate corrections. The ban casts too wide a net to be targeted for public safety. It serves no good public safety purpose to deliberately alienate a law-abiding segment of our community, all while spending billions of Canadian taxpayer dollars.



Yours in Conservation, 

Mr. Bill Bosch

President

BC Wildlife Federation


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Mr. Rob Stewart, Deputy Minister of Public Safety Canda

Mr. Pierre Paul-Hus, MP, Charlesbourg-Haute-Saint-Charles, Standing Committee on Public Safety & National Security

Mr. Glen Motz, MP, Medicine Hat-Cardston-Warner, Standing Committee on Public Safety & National Security

Mr. Bob Zimmer, MP, Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies, Standing Committee on Indigenous & Northern Affairs

The Honourable John Horgan, Premier of British Columbia

The Honourable Mike Farnworth, MLA, Minister of Public Safety & Solicitor General of the Province of BC

Executive Committee & Board of Directors of the BC Wildlife Federation

Gary Mauser, Firearms Committee Chair, BC Wildlife Federation

Doug Bancroft, Recreational Sports Shooting Committee Chair, BC Wildlife Federation

Alberta Fish & Game Association

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Nova Scotia Federation of Anglers & Hunters

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Exceptionately well spoken. Unfortunately, acting on logic and voting on behalf of those you represent was discarded for "tow the party line" decades ago.


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 Post subject: Re: This is bad
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 12:11 pm 
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I have been advised the RCMP recanted their ban on 12 and 10 bore shotguns, on their web site.
I have not seen this myself, however I do have this information from a good source.
The trouble with this is, the wording is still within the order in council ie: proclaimed law for a different
interpretation at a later date. As Blair said, "the wording was chosen very carefully" - or "the wording was
very carefully chosen".

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 Post subject: Re: This is bad
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 2:30 pm 
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Daryl wrote:
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That's why Valmet's are legal. The government gave them a bunch at some point, so they did not put them on the prohib list along with the other Ak's.

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 Post subject: Re: This is bad
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https://torontosun.com/news/national/tr ... -mp-claims

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 Post subject: Re: This is bad
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 6:59 am 
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https://torontosun.com/news/national/trudeaus-latest-firearms-ban-prohibits-historic-cannons-too-mp-claims

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Yeah, only targets military hardware that serves no sporting purpose. Flare guns, which are not designed to kill, and are used on boats to signal distress, are banned. The AR15, the most used rifle in 3 gun, and the most popular rifle for hunting hogs and coyotes in the USA, serves no sporting purpose. Which military uses the AR15?.

Anybody catch the new laws passed in NZ?. Check it out if you didn't.

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