Canadian Airgun Forum

The #1 Community for Airguns in Canada!
It is currently Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:07 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours


The Canadian Airgun Forums are a place for people to discuss and learn about airguns and the airgunning sport in Canada. There are lots of discussions about airguns, airgun accessories, reviews, modification and repair information, airgun events, field target and free classifieds!

 

You need to register before you can post: click the register link to proceed. Before you register, please read the forum rules. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own pictures, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free! To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.








Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 11:56 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Posts: 33
Location: North of GTA
Just got this rifle which is terrific in every way except...

I had read that the trigger pull was difficult in double action and much easier in single action. All true, but no reviewer ever mentioned the very hard pull on the bolt. In addition it's very small so you can only get one finger on it, and the edges are hard. I developed a bruise after 30 rounds.

Does anyone know if the bolt can be eased up?

In the meantime, i bought some finger protectors on Amazon. They help a bit but I would rather not be seen in public with them, lol.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 1:13 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:35 pm
Posts: 6674
Location: P.G. B.C.
Probably shouldn't be seen in public with the gun either.

I'm assuming the hard pull on the bolt lever is due to the hammer spring tension.
Reducing the spring's tension will reduce the powder level, will it not?
"The edges are hard"? Do you mean sharp? You can round them, I would expect.
The little cocking lever, if the same as on the .22 LR rifle, only needs one finger, as designed.
There may be a longer, aftermarket lever - you could google custom parts for Ruger 10-22,
however .22LR version 10-22 parts might not fit the air gun, just so you know.

_________________
Best Wishes
Daryl


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 5:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:52 pm
Posts: 7257
Location: Vancouver Island BC
Posts on powder burns only go here the rest of forum is for Airguns only


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 7:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:17 pm
Posts: 2228
Location: Kingston, ON
lauchlin wrote:
Posts on powder burns only go here the rest of forum is for Airguns only

It isn't clear if OP has a powder burning 10/22 or the CO2 rifle version.
If it's this one then Lauchlin is 100% right:
https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/ ... -p8926982e

_________________

Duke ))))----//----------==


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 9:02 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Posts: 33
Location: North of GTA
Daryl wrote:
Probably shouldn't be seen in public with the gun either.

I'm assuming the hard pull on the bolt lever is due to the hammer spring tension.
Reducing the spring's tension will reduce the powder level, will it not?
"The edges are hard"? Do you mean sharp? You can round them, I would expecvellt.
The little cocking lever, if the same as on the .22 LR rifle, only needs one finger, as designed.
There may be a longer, aftermarket lever - you could google custom parts for Ruger 10-22,
however .22LR version 10-22 parts might not fit the air gun, just so you know.


The first half of the lever travel is real easy.Then at the point at which it moves the rotary magazine, the lever becomes very hard to pull. Not sure the spring affects that. Maybe it just needs more break-in. I'll try rounding the edges and checking for a larger lever. Thanks.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 5:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 07, 2015 8:30 pm
Posts: 1361
Location: Eastern Townships
Dukemeister wrote:
lauchlin wrote:
Posts on powder burns only go here the rest of forum is for Airguns only

It isn't clear if OP has a powder burning 10/22 or the CO2 rifle version.
If it's this one then Lauchlin is 100% right:
https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/ ... -p8926982e


Just ordered the Umarex CO2 version, can't wait to see about that bolt pull.

OP, are you talking about the Umarex CO2 version or the powderburner version??? :?

_________________
If everything's so lovely yeah, then why don't I, why don't I, why don't I, why don'I feel lovely?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 7:55 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:23 am
Posts: 3331
Location: Somewheres near the Atlantic
OP must be talking about the Airgun version. 10/22 don't have double action triggers.

Try leaving the gun cocked. I bet it needs a work in. I know many years ago, we bought a Sig pistol, that wouldn't cycle. Sig told us to store the gun with the slide locked back for a few days.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 10:43 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Posts: 33
Location: North of GTA
leadslinger wrote:
OP must be talking about the Airgun version. 10/22 don't have double action triggers.

Try leaving the gun cocked. I bet it needs a work in. I know many years ago, we bought a Sig pistol, that wouldn't cycle. Sig told us to store the gun with the slide locked back for a few days.


That sounds like a good idea.
Also it just occurred to me to contact Umarexusa.com and see what they have to say. I'll report.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 2:16 pm 
Offline
Supporting Members
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:54 pm
Posts: 4985
Location: Saint John NB
Like most bolt action airguns, the action will smooth out with use. The Crosman 760 was very stiff when new, but with use got better.

_________________
Jonathan

Im addicted to brake fluid..........but I can stop anytime....


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 7:58 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Posts: 33
Location: North of GTA
airmec wrote:
Dukemeister wrote:
lauchlin wrote:
Posts on powder burns only go here the rest of forum is for Airguns only

It isn't clear if OP has a powder burning 10/22 or the CO2 rifle version.
If it's this one then Lauchlin is 100% right:
https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/ ... -p8926982e


Just ordered the Umarex CO2 version, can't wait to see about that bolt pull.

OP, are you talking about the Umarex CO2 version or the powderburner version??? :?


I mean the CO2 pellet version. Sorry for any confusion,


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 9:25 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Posts: 33
Location: North of GTA
airmec wrote:
Dukemeister wrote:
lauchlin wrote:
Posts on powder burns only go here the rest of forum is for Airguns only

It isn't clear if OP has a powder burning 10/22 or the CO2 rifle version.
If it's this one then Lauchlin is 100% right:
https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/ ... -p8926982e


Just ordered the Umarex CO2 version, can't wait to see about that bolt pull.

OP, are you talking about the Umarex CO2 version or the powderburner version??? :?


The CO2 replica. Sorry for not being clear.
I think I found the source of the problem and it may apply to all rotary magazines. Without the cartridge ( I guess that's the name of the black thing that holds the red magazine) the bolt pull is very easy. When the cartridge is installed and the bolt is pulled it gets difficult because a square post comes out of the gun and pushes in the square opening in the cartridge which then rotates the magazine
Attachment:
File comment: Ruger 10-20 air rifle cartridge and magazine
ruger-10-22 cartridge .jpg
ruger-10-22 cartridge .jpg [ 75.89 KiB | Viewed 225 times ]
. Some have suggested leaving the gun cocked for a few day to loosen the spring tension, which would help. But the issue is really at the point at which the post in the cartridge pushes against the magazine to rotate it. As some have suggested, it simply needs break-in. I think I can speed up the process by removing the cartridge and pushing against the square opening repeatedly. I'll let you know if that helps. Also I asked Umarex if a dab of light oil would help but I wouldn't dare try that without hearing from them.
You'll enjoy the gun.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 9:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:17 pm
Posts: 2228
Location: Kingston, ON
Jbanel wrote:
I asked Umarex if a dab of light oil would help but I wouldn't dare try that without hearing from them.
You'll enjoy the gun.

Just oil it and see what happens. Use SAE30 or if all parts are plastic silicone oil would work. A little oil in a CO2 gun won't hurt anything as long as you don't use something that can damage the seals. And never use silicone on metal/metal surfaces.

_________________

Duke ))))----//----------==


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 12:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Posts: 33
Location: North of GTA
Dukemeister wrote:
Jbanel wrote:
I asked Umarex if a dab of light oil would help but I wouldn't dare try that without hearing from them.
You'll enjoy the gun.

Just oil it and see what happens. Use SAE30 or if all parts are plastic silicone oil would work. A little oil in a CO2 gun won't hurt anything as long as you don't use something that can damage the seals. And never use silicone on metal/metal surfaces.


Good plan - thanks. I think all the contact points would be plastic.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 5:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 07, 2015 8:30 pm
Posts: 1361
Location: Eastern Townships
Hi Jbanel, first off I'd like to apologize if I offended you, I didn't meant to be rude, I was puzzled as to why the post was displaced, I'm sorry about the misunderstanding :oops: .

Second, I can't wait to hear about your test on the magazine/cartridge, first hand experience is always good to hear about. I just got the confirmation of shipment for my own 10/22 :supz: , VERY impatient to see it!!!

_________________
If everything's so lovely yeah, then why don't I, why don't I, why don't I, why don'I feel lovely?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 8:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 10, 2020 5:30 pm
Posts: 33
Location: North of GTA
airmec wrote:
Hi Jbanel, first off I'd like to apologize if I offended you, I didn't meant to be rude, I was puzzled as to why the post was displaced, I'm sorry about the misunderstanding :oops: .

Second, I can't wait to hear about your test on the magazine/cartridge, first hand experience is always good to hear about. I just got the confirmation of shipment for my own 10/22 :supz: , VERY impatient to see it!!!
,

Hey airmec, I was never offended by your comments. In fact I was too dazed and confused to be offended, lol. I sorted it out with the Moderator, assuring him that I was talking about the CO2 version of the Ruger 10/22

I posted some comments which I'm not sure you saw. Anyway, here they are:

I think I found the source of the problem (the sticky bolt) and it may apply to all rotary magazines. Without the cartridge ( I guess that's the name of the black thing that holds the red magazine) the bolt pull is very easy. When the cartridge is installed and the bolt is pulled it gets difficult because a square post comes out of the gun and pushes in the square opening in the cartridge which then rotates the magazine.
Attachment:
ruger-10-22 cartridge .jpg
ruger-10-22 cartridge .jpg [ 75.89 KiB | Viewed 135 times ]


Some have suggested leaving the gun cocked for a few days to loosen the spring tension, which might help. But the issue is really at the point at which the post in the cartridge pushes against the magazine to rotate it. As some have suggested, it simply needs break-in. I think I can speed up the process by removing the cartridge and pushing against the square opening repeatedly. I'll let you know if that helps. [Update: yes it does!] Also I asked Umarex if a dab of light oil would help but I wouldn't dare try that without hearing from them.
You'll enjoy the gun

[Update: I'm much happier with the gun now that the bolt has eased up a bit. Also I was getting some misfiring with pellets left in the magazine. That was solved when I started using H&N alloy Greens. No lead on my fingers either.]

Looking forward to hearing your experience the rifle. Hope you get it soon.I'm still waiting for a Dan Wesson pistol that I ordered May 9, argh.


Report this post
Top
Profile Send private message


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
News News Site map Site map SitemapIndex SitemapIndex RSS Feed RSS Feed Channel list Channel list

Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group

phpBB SEO