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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:20 pm 
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Like I previously said. I'm just happy that Daisy actually came out with a "new" product.

I find it sad how a great name, and leader in the airgun world has sunk so low. Crosman may not be a leader in the field, as it previously was, but is still coming out with new & interesting products.

Will be interesting to see how it actually shoots, when the reviews come out. I will be satisfied, if it shoots as good as the Marksman 1700 pump action BB gun, I got a Princess Auto for $14.

Sort of tells how low my expectations have gotten for Daisy.

But if the reviews say it shoots well, I will probably get one. As I've been a fan of Daisy, since I got my 1st 1894 in the late 1970's.


You mean like making another Beretta type pistol, or changing a stock and shroud on the same B19 platform, and calling it something else? Now they are going to run with the AR style airgun, and come out with a new.. Just different stock. I don't think Crosman is really making anything interesting. Compared to other manufactures.


Leadslinger:

Compared to Daisy, at least it looks like Crosman is trying. The DPMS/Bushmaster/R1 line of AR rifles seems to be popular. I have the DPMS, and feel it complements the other new full-auto BB guns that have come out in the last couple of years.

The Remington 1875 is a good alternative to the Umarex Colt Peacemakers. Yes, some of their new BB pistols are copies of other brands Beretta's & Colts, but still gives people different buying options & price points.

And they are also coming out with many new break barrels in the Crosman, Remington & Benjamin lines, including a new multi-shot break barrel.

So, even though they may not be market leaders, they haven't be as "invisible" like Daisy.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:33 pm 
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Sadly it looks all plastic.
Make it metal and wood like the RedRyder and the Model 25 and I would be more than happy to buy one!
I like these BB guns. They're nice to shoot cans in the backyard.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:06 am 
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BB1Shooter wrote:

Leadslinger:

Compared to Daisy, at least it looks like Crosman is trying. The DPMS/Bushmaster/R1 line of AR rifles seems to be popular. I have the DPMS, and feel it complements the other new full-auto BB guns that have come out in the last couple of years.

The Remington 1875 is a good alternative to the Umarex Colt Peacemakers. Yes, some of their new BB pistols are copies of other brands Beretta's & Colts, but still gives people different buying options & price points.

And they are also coming out with many new break barrels in the Crosman, Remington & Benjamin lines, including a new multi-shot break barrel.

So, even though they may not be market leaders, they haven't be as "invisible" like Daisy.


Daisy only really known for X53 series, 747/717 and Red Ryders, and been just riding the coat tails with those.. I bet if Cadets/CMP didn't use the X93 series. That they would have went out of business decades ago. They been making cheap crap the last decade. Model 12 is just another one of those.

Like I said, Crosman will run with the DPMS/Bushmaster/R1 line till the cows come home. Expect to see a new model of the same gun with minor changes. The multi shot break barrel is only thing new, but didn't Gamo and other compaines make one several years ago? But Adding a new stock, and a shroud on basically the same B19 isn't a new gun. And the quality of the newer stuff, isn't as good as a couple years ago Crosmans, I had a Phantom and Vantage, and it was much better than my Summit Ranger. Even the parts they cheap out. The bear trap levers are plastic now, not metal, the compression tube caps are weak plastic, and break on removal.

They are making the 760, crappier and cheaper.

Only thing decent that comes out of Crosman/Benjamin are their PCPs.

If Crosman made a 2200 again... Maybe my opinion would change. But I won't buy newer Crosmans. European and Chinese are dominating the airgun world.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:12 am 
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They want 79.99 for it.

[img]Daisy® Winchester® Model 12 BB Pump Shotgun
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No rating value for Daisy® Winchester® Model 12 BB Pump Shotgun (0)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:30 pm 
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leadslinger wrote:
They want 79.99 for it.

[img]Daisy® Winchester® Model 12 BB Pump Shotgun
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No rating value for Daisy® Winchester® Model 12 BB Pump Shotgun (0)
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80$, I'll buy it.
The Daisy 74 is mostly plastic but is still a super fun little BB gun to plink with.
I don't know why people hate BB guns so much. Sure you won't go hunting with one or win any olympic medals with one but they're fun!

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