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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:35 pm 
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I finally put a seal kit in my Crosman 2200 Magnum. I was procrastinating doing it after reading about assembly woes other shooters warned about. It really wasn't that bad. I've seen and done worse. My 2200 is an American gun with no bleed port in the all-brass valve. I installed all the parts in the kit and left the rifle stock with no other mods. My Daisy 880 is also completely stock. Forgive my sloppy columns...

Daisy 880. 2200
7.9gr. 14.3gr
# strokes. Velo. Fpe. Velo. Fpe
1 260. 1.1. 201. 1.8
2. 382. 2.5. 312. 3.1
3. 454. 3.6. 395. 5.0
4. 505. 4.5. 445. 6.3
5. 556. 5.4. 490. 7.6
6. 585. 6.0. 516. 8.5
7. 610. 6.5. 553. 9.7
8. 640. 7.2. 588. 11.0
9. 660. 7.6. 604. 11.6
10. 670. 7.9. 621. 12.3
11. 640. 13.0
12. 662. 13.9
13. 670. 14.3

Note that stroke 10 on the 880 only gave 10 fps increase. No point in pumping further. The 2200 only gave 8 fps increase on stroke 13, so no point in going further than 12 pumps. Quite a bit of the literature I read had shooters pumping the 2200 to 15-20 strokes with the solid brass valve, so I thought I'd go past 10 strokes to see what happens. I mostly shoot my 880 at 5 strokes, and from the looks of the above data, 5 looks like a good number for the 2200 too. I should mention, the 880 can be pumped with two fingers all the way up to 10 pumps. The 2200 is easily triple the pump resistance. Pumping the 2200 gets to be a grind pretty fast. All in all, I'm impressed with both guns. The 880 can shoot .25" groups at 20 meters (for a $45 gun!). I have not tested the 2200 for accuracy. While my old eyes and open sights are not conducive to accuracy testing, the 2200 is showing some excellent accuracy potential. I like my pumpers without scopes to make pumping easier.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:37 pm 
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Damn those columns really screwed up compared with my original screen.
Strokes 11, 12, and 13 pertain to the 2200 only.
I just noticed... At 670 fps, fpe=pellet weight!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:04 pm 
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I always liked the Crosman 2200 rifles. You got a good one with the no bleed hole valve. The sweet spot is to pump them 4-5 pumps only. After that, the pumps don't give you too much extra velocity.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:34 pm 
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Thanks for posting Rick! Your Daisy 880 shoot the same speed as mine. You forgot to mention how quiet they are, even at full power with 10 pumps. At 7 or 8 pumps you get the same power as a .177cal HW30S.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:43 am 
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TCooper wrote:
Thanks for posting Rick! Your Daisy 880 shoot the same speed as mine. You forgot to mention how quiet they are, even at full power with 10 pumps. At 7 or 8 pumps you get the same power as a .177cal HW30S.

Now that you mention it, the 2200 is really quiet too (except for the clackity-clack of pumping).
The 880 looks and feels like it's made of cheap plastic. That's probably because it's made of mostly cheap plastic. But they shoot fast, are surprisingly accurate, and have a reputation for near indestructibility. My neighbour's grandson put two 8000 count bottles of daisy bbs through mine. That pump handle has probably had almost 100,000 strokes. The gun still looks and shoots like new. Accuracy with pellets seems to be unaffected by the excessive use of bbs.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:49 am 
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TriggerHappy416 wrote:
I always liked the Crosman 2200 rifles. You got a good one with the no bleed hole valve. The sweet spot is to pump them 4-5 pumps only. After that, the pumps don't give you too much extra velocity.


Yes! Both rifles shoot at about 500 fps at 5 pumps (the 880 a little over, the 2200 a little under). Both rifles only gain about 120 fps with 5 more pumps. At 5 pumps, the Daisy shoots any pellet well with little variation in point of impact -another added bonus of only pumping 5 strokes! While the pump resistance doesn't increase in the 880 all the way to 10 strokes, the pump resistance increases as you pump with the 2200.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:34 am 
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After a little more research, the serial # on my 2200 says it is a first variant (78-82) made in March of 1979.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:15 am 
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Crosman needs to bring back he 2200... And also lengthen the 13xx tube to be a rifle maintube and not a pistol.

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