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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:13 pm 
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I am thinking about getting a scope for one or more of my air pistols... I've always preferred open sights but my eyes are starting to fail me! I'm looking for advice on good scopes, preferably not insanely expensive ones... but I do realize that quality usually isn't dirt cheap, lol.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:34 pm 
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Have this on my P3 and like it~

Bought from Aliexpress, the one over it for comparison is the 2x20 kit scope comes with the P3. ImageImageImage

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:52 pm 
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Thanks YepYep, seems like we have similar tastes in pistols... I have a P3 and a HW45 too...Love the look of your P3 btw. Very sharp. I will look into these scopes for sure. Cheers!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:50 pm 
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Codswallop wrote:
I am thinking about getting a scope for one or more of my air pistols... I've always preferred open sights but my eyes are starting to fail me! I'm looking for advice on good scopes, preferably not insanely expensive ones... but I do realize that quality usually isn't dirt cheap, lol.


Another possibility, if you like open sights, is a red dot. These work great for as it's impossible to focus near and far at the same time wearing progressive lenses. Wes has them available here: https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/11mm-doveta ... dot-sight/

A very inexpensive and fun solution.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:04 pm 
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Red dot is not a good choice for ppl that needs scope as their eyes not being as good as before... I used dot sight before, but gave it up due to the size of the dots too big and cover the target, and the dot looks like a star in my eye not a good round dot, then it's not making the target bigger as it's 1x power...

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:09 pm 
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Codswallop wrote:
Thanks YepYep, seems like we have similar tastes in pistols... I have a P3 and a HW45 too...Love the look of your P3 btw. Very sharp. I will look into these scopes for sure. Cheers!


[emoji38] The HW40 and P3 is very good SSP. My P3 is the older model with non fiber optic sights.

I didn't mount the 32mm scope on my HW40 with fiber optic sights. As I need to lower down the rear sight on my P3 to the ground to give just a hair like clearance for the scope eye piece, not very sure if it would touch the fiber optic sight on the new model...

And the scope is not feather light, however I usually not shooting with single hand, it's still okay for me. So you may need to think about that too~

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:34 pm 
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I like red dot sights, i have one on an older pistol.. but yes, the dot itself seems to be more of a distraction than it used to be. Damn old eyes of mine :cry: ... I think scopes may be the best option for me now.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:34 am 
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I have been using pistol sized red dots for a while now. Even with an astigmatism and the dot slightly misshapen like a shooting star it improved my accuracy. I’ve never tried a pistol scope but with the way my eyes are going , I might have to bite the bullet.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:57 am 
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YepYep wrote:
Red dot is not a good choice for ppl that needs scope as their eyes not being as good as before... I used dot sight before, but gave it up due to the size of the dots too big and cover the target, and the dot looks like a star in my eye not a good round dot, then it's not making the target bigger as it's 1x power...


Your experience may vary, but I'll disagree with that they're poor choice for people with bad eyes. Actually In Oct I took 3rd place in PPC Marksman Div, where the previous year I did as well. But I did notice that I had higher scores, esp at the longer stage. So dot's do help.

Actually the sport I shoot. Many older shooters are going with reddots because they cannot see iron sights anymore. Where a red dot is litterly just a dot. Which you can shoot both eyes open and just have to superimpose the dot on the target.. Not much focusing needed. And the quality and the MOA of the dot makes a difference. Smaller the MOA, smaller the dot. Aliexpress and Chinese dots don't have the best track record for being quality. I got 2 in a pile that are un usable because a 3MOA dot is like 10, with soo much glare.

Also I run alot of my dots on the lowest setting, which helps with the comma, or star burst. That some people experience with a Astigmatism, and I don't have too much issues.

And I shoot from 3M to 100 M with reddots. I run a 3MOA Vortex Venom dot ( 3" at 100, 1.5" at 50M ) where there people that run 6 or 8 moa, because they shoot IPSC and the targets are bigger, so bigger the dot, the faster to acquire.

Personally I dislike pistol scopes. They're only good when they are shot benched. Because I never can find one with the proper eye relief for how I shoot. So to prevent the dark ring around the reticle. I always have to bring the gun in more, so my arms are not always fully extended, and not as stable and muscle memory doesn't like that.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:55 am 
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leadslinger wrote:
YepYep wrote:
Red dot is not a good choice for ppl that needs scope as their eyes not being as good as before... I used dot sight before, but gave it up due to the size of the dots too big and cover the target, and the dot looks like a star in my eye not a good round dot, then it's not making the target bigger as it's 1x power...


Your experience may vary, but I'll disagree with that they're poor choice for people with bad eyes. Actually In Oct I took 3rd place in PPC Marksman Div, where the previous year I did as well. But I did notice that I had higher scores, esp at the longer stage. So dot's do help.

Actually the sport I shoot. Many older shooters are going with reddots because they cannot see iron sights anymore. Where a red dot is litterly just a dot. Which you can shoot both eyes open and just have to superimpose the dot on the target.. Not much focusing needed. And the quality and the MOA of the dot makes a difference. Smaller the MOA, smaller the dot. Aliexpress and Chinese dots don't have the best track record for being quality. I got 2 in a pile that are un usable because a 3MOA dot is like 10, with soo much glare.

Also I run alot of my dots on the lowest setting, which helps with the comma, or star burst. That some people experience with a Astigmatism, and I don't have too much issues.

And I shoot from 3M to 100 M with reddots. I run a 3MOA Vortex Venom dot ( 3" at 100, 1.5" at 50M ) where there people that run 6 or 8 moa, because they shoot IPSC and the targets are bigger, so bigger the dot, the faster to acquire.

Personally I dislike pistol scopes. They're only good when they are shot benched. Because I never can find one with the proper eye relief for how I shoot. So to prevent the dark ring around the reticle. I always have to bring the gun in more, so my arms are not always fully extended, and not as stable and muscle memory doesn't like that.
Yep~ Leadslinger just told the other side of the story and it's great reference!

Dots are very convenient sight, that's so true. Found that too when I was using them.

Actually I thought about buying and giving some better dot sights from the brand names a try... However I was not sure about the result and was afraid 'wasting' the money as the good dot sight will be around 100+ to some 200ish, not like the 20 dallors China made red/green dots...

And using a scope might be because I was affected by shooting the scoped rifles, I like the thin reticle showed clearly on the target and (try to) shoot pellets into the same hole... Which I couldn't do with red dots...

However a scoped pistol might be only good for rested shooting. I shoot standing with body leaning to the door frame to get some support AND rested... [emoji38]

And my eye's problem is not too bad as I can still see the open sight, just harder to see the targets now... So I have only one pistol is scoped and all the others are factory open sights... (although all my rifles are scoped~ :eek: )

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:32 am 
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Just wanted to add a point for consideration - every scope has a minimum distance it focuses on. For air pistol shooting it might be an issue if you shoot at 10m and scope will focus only starting from 15m.

As per red dots I have good experience with Bushnell TRS-25, bought it for SKS probably 5 years ago, but then decided that SKS was better without it. So I put TRS25 on my Benjamin Trail NP pistol and it works well on it. I use lowest brightness for dot and it's a nice small round dot - way better than chinese stuff with red dot too bright for precision shooting.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:47 am 
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YepYep wrote:
leadslinger wrote:
YepYep wrote:
Red dot is not a good choice for ppl that needs scope as their eyes not being as good as before... I used dot sight before, but gave it up due to the size of the dots too big and cover the target, and the dot looks like a star in my eye not a good round dot, then it's not making the target bigger as it's 1x power...


Your experience may vary, but I'll disagree with that they're poor choice for people with bad eyes. Actually In Oct I took 3rd place in PPC Marksman Div, where the previous year I did as well. But I did notice that I had higher scores, esp at the longer stage. So dot's do help.

Actually the sport I shoot. Many older shooters are going with reddots because they cannot see iron sights anymore. Where a red dot is litterly just a dot. Which you can shoot both eyes open and just have to superimpose the dot on the target.. Not much focusing needed. And the quality and the MOA of the dot makes a difference. Smaller the MOA, smaller the dot. Aliexpress and Chinese dots don't have the best track record for being quality. I got 2 in a pile that are un usable because a 3MOA dot is like 10, with soo much glare.

Also I run alot of my dots on the lowest setting, which helps with the comma, or star burst. That some people experience with a Astigmatism, and I don't have too much issues.

And I shoot from 3M to 100 M with reddots. I run a 3MOA Vortex Venom dot ( 3" at 100, 1.5" at 50M ) where there people that run 6 or 8 moa, because they shoot IPSC and the targets are bigger, so bigger the dot, the faster to acquire.

Personally I dislike pistol scopes. They're only good when they are shot benched. Because I never can find one with the proper eye relief for how I shoot. So to prevent the dark ring around the reticle. I always have to bring the gun in more, so my arms are not always fully extended, and not as stable and muscle memory doesn't like that.
Yep~ Leadslinger just told the other side of the story and it's great reference!

Dots are very convenient sight, that's so true. Found that too when I was using them.

Actually I thought about buying and giving some better dot sights from the brand names a try... However I was not sure about the result and was afraid 'wasting' the money as the good dot sight will be around 100+ to some 200ish, not like the 20 dallors China made red/green dots...

And using a scope might be because I was affected by shooting the scoped rifles, I like the thin reticle showed clearly on the target and (try to) shoot pellets into the same hole... Which I couldn't do with red dots...

However a scoped pistol might be only good for rested shooting. I shoot standing with body leaning to the door frame to get some support AND rested... [emoji38]

And my eye's problem is not too bad as I can still see the open sight, just harder to see the targets now... So I have only one pistol is scoped and all the others are factory open sights... (although all my rifles are scoped~ :eek: )


I mean there are good cheaper reddots. That you don't need to spend 300$. Bushnell TRS 25, is a good example. Could be found for 80-100$. I prefer to use alot. I had my 20ga out with one installed and it was very clear, and even on 11power. Lining it on a 1" dot at 25M was easy. While I have a knock off on my Gamo Falcon and the dot is, no where as crisp, and is slightly larger.

Only reason why I run a 300$ optic on my competition pistol is, warranty, and the fact it is mounted on the slide. It needs to withstand the abuse. I cannot have it failing on me in a match.

But my HW45 runs a Vector/victor forgot what it is 30mm tube optic, that I paid 20$ for from Aliexpress... Was really surprised by it, I bought 2 more.

Another thing that plays alot with your eyes is lighting. I find I strain less with more natural light, then artificial ( lights )

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:38 pm 
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I run dot sights on my Artemis handguns. Both work fine for shooting to 20yards. Further shooting would not be a problem with them.
Both are 3 moa dot sights. My glasses correct the visual I get with the dot. Without glasses the dot is a slightly widened \. With glasses,
the illumination is round.


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Dot sights can be a challenge for those of us with astigmatism. I can change the dot shape just by changing the angle of my head, especially when shooting indoors with artificial lighting. The dot shape changes when I look through a different spot on my glasses. The best spot to look is obviously straight through the center of the lens. Unfortunately this is not usually possible when using a dot sight on a rifle so I only use them on pistols.

I have 3 red dot sights and have looked through a dozen others. Most dots look okay when outdoors on on a sunny day. I have tried 2X and 4X pistol scopes and don't like them. The FOV can be very small and very sensitive to changes in viewing angle. They might be okay for benchrest shooting but I didn't like them for offhand. Just my opinion. I'll stick with dot sights.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:47 am 
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I got first a magnifier and only then I started searching for red dot to pair. Don't ask me why I got it reversed, it is a complicated story.
Anyway, I was playing with four brand/models new out of box, and every each was showing the artifact, the same as people with astigmatism referring to.
Only difference I could make a picture of the shape with my cellphone also with my DSLR camera, also when I was rotating the scope + magnifier combo on the rail the image was rotating....so its not my eyes beside a fact me 60 yo.

So finally (usually I don't bother her with my new toys :) ) I decided to tell this story to my wife...she know everything ;)
But don't laugh! She is working for an optics manufacturing in ITAR, she is an ME for "those" lenses.
She is telling me this is a flaw in material and processes which brand what type of coating using in their optics.
Now, what I did I combined two optics, the red dot + a magnifier, the x6 power magnified the flaws from both units/glasses...

How can you help yourself, even you have astigmatism? Get a polarizing lens, something like the camera polarizing lenses (and btw years ago I did an extensive study on those as well, do not expect a better quality from a higher priced lens, that is false and bs marketing).

With my eyes, I just grabbed my fishing sunglasses, those have some sort of polarizing as well, but not meant to do anything better then fishing. It helped my eyes filter out the artifact.
So you can go ...my first idea...to a shopping mall to those sunglasses booths and try out several combinations with your red dot. Or find in optics stores (like Henrys or similar) and ask them for a filter size you can screw in into your unit, would that be 30 or 32 mm or whatever. Or if you can get to a collector or used camera stores, ask them for filters from old camcorders, those had about a same size filters and threads...

Or you get yourself a prism scope, that is also some sort of "red dot" as well but different technology, also less friendly with parallax.
This what I am after now for my new PP750, my Sig red dot is just way to bulky for a pistol.


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