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 Post subject: And the beat goes on.
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 1:34 pm 
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Wondering if someone could explain to me in a logical fashion (i.e. by not just saying the Federal Government is a bunch of morons) how these sort of things, that are happening in all the major cities in the country on a daily basis, is not going to have an effect on replica airgun laws:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/video/ma ... d=msedgdhp

Clearly a mental health issue, but that may be besides the fact.

BTW, there are many better replica airguns than the Beretta Elite II.

And a lot of credit must be given to the police officer that did not shoot the accused.


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm 
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Just food for the fire. Almost as if it had been planned. Of course, that would be silly,
wouldn't it?.
The guy did also have a "combat knife" and body armour. Hmm - both of which, under
the circumstances, are illegal. If he didn't point the BB gun at anyone, why was it illegal
for him to have it?
Guy must have been a nutzpoid.

You must ask yourself, what logic is there in destroying an industry & the recreational activities
of hundreds of thousands of Canadians for 3 or 4 instances per year, like the above?
No justification that I recognize.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 11:29 pm 
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Unfortunately this sort of thing has become almost a daily occurrence in Canadian cities.

I am not an expert in the firearm legislation, but I don't think you need to be to a criminal lawyer to know that walking into a police station, or any other public or private place, brandishing a replica airgun, is going to get you in a boat load of trouble. Regardless of if you actually point it at anyone.

Daryl, I can see how you thought these sort of things were not very common. Over the last couple of years, I have posted news stories about people brandishing replica airguns in public on a regular basis. But the moderators would take them down, about as quick as I put them up. So few people would have seen them.

I actually have been warned not to post these sort of news stories, as the "powers that be" felt they were not of any concern to the Canadian airgun community.

Boy were these guys off the mark! It is unfortunate that the airgun community could not have gotten in front of this issue and address it years ago, before we got to where we are now.

So now we are in the unfortunate situation of worrying about the outcome of Bill C-21.

Unfortunately, we can not turn back the clock on this problem.

I still stand by, having some sort of mechanism to weed out the "undesirables" acquiring replica airguns, as a compromise position that the lawmakers might accept instead of an outright ban.


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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 12:56 am 
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I guess I am different than some. If you commit a crime, threaten anyone or whatever using a replica I have no problem with the authorities assuming its real and doing whatever is deemed necessary including terminating a life. The law abiding people are not going to use replicas in that way. Remember there are stores still selling all sorts of large bladed gear and other items. Replica guns are just being used for political gain.
I believe I have seen two replica gun stroies now from Winnipeg but not many from anywhere else. Wonder whats in the water in Winnipeg since I left 44 years ago.

BTW if it was a rubber knife that looked real, same deal.(So are we going to outlaw rubber knives?) The world is getting upside down.

I'm in another hobby where a few Bozos actions have now meant thousands of hobbyists have to do paperwork, can no longer operate except in very limited areas, and now instead of young folk enjoying it it's become to much of a chore to wade through the regulations for some. AND there has been no loss of life due to those Bozos. What a bloody world.


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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 6:58 am 
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Newton's First Law: The Path of Least Resistance

- From a political point of view, it is much easier to blame inanimate objects for rogue behavior, than to blame people for rogue behavior.
- It is easier to "ban" scary looking object, than adresse the "parenting" and social issues that leads young individuals down the wrong path.


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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 7:38 am 
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I do hope the "powers that be" will take these posts down. Someone out seeking attention and we give it to them. This forum is for air gun hobbyists and enthusiasts that enjoy shooting and discussing air guns.

What some nut job did with a BB pistol does not interest me. Like sillymike said, punish the offender.

In your first statement you discouraged people from using a logical argument; when it comes to making laws concerning gun ownership and legal use, the Federal Government is .........

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 12:14 pm 
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Unfortunately, burying our heads in the sand and hoping the replica airgun ban will just go way, might not be the best course of action.

If replica airgun enthusiast want to continue to enjoy their hobby, unfettered by a very subjective & restrictive ban on all replica airguns, they need to do something.

Would have been better if we took heed to the warning signs, but that is now in the past.

I dislike, as much as everyone else, the way the world is going. Over regulation, government getting too involved in every facet of our lives, etc.

But unfortunately, this is the world we now live in. The days of walking down the street with your Red Ryder BB guns, going to the nearby forested area is long gone, and it is never going to come back The sooner everyone realizes this the better.

The truth is that there are bad people in your community. Gun laws will not stop them. Most of the time, the gun infractions are overlooked in an effort to get a conviction on a more serious charge.

I feel a little regulation is the poison we must accept to be able to enjoy our hobby. Don't like it, but will need to learn to accept it.

Ward & June Clever are dead. The Beaver & Wally are old men. Times change, we must learn to move on.

I just hope that we can continue to be able to enjoy, buy & sell all of the new & exciting replica airguns that are coming out, legally.

The last 5 or so years, really is the "golden age" of replica airgun. And many more new and exciting products coming out. Would be nice if Canadians can be part of it.

Time will tell.


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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 12:55 pm 
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BB1Shooter wrote:
The truth is that there are bad people in your community. Gun laws will not stop them. Most of the time, the gun infractions are overlooked in an effort to get a conviction on a more serious charge.

I feel a little regulation is the poison we must accept to be able to enjoy our hobby. Don't like it, but will need to learn to accept it.


Do you not see the contradiction here?

Learning to accept is what we have done during the rule of every Liberal Government in the last 20 or so years. Let's keep doing that since it has worked so well.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 1:08 pm 
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Could spell it out, I guess.
This government is going to do whatever it wants to do. Having the necessary voting #'s with the NDP party to
pass anything they can dream up to go with the coming NWO, is going to happen. They do not care what anyone
does or threatens (careful there). They will carry out their mandate which is the disarmament of the population.
The NWO cannot proceed without this happening. No Socialist, Communist, or other Totalitarian governmental system
came to full power without FIRST disarming their population.
This isn't just about air soft or paint ball, not just about powder burners either. It's about all of them, one "piece" at a time.
There is no placating "them" - they are not interested. They are evil, quite simply, evil.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 1:17 pm 
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From what I read, he pulled out the BB gun and dropped it on the floor.
From what I read, he was not "walking into a police station, or any other public or private place, brandishing a replica airgun"
That is terminology THEY use as it sounds much more insidious/bad.
Now, what actually happened, we don't know. We do not have the police report.

As to this happening all over the country - I rarely watch the Liberal news so I don't see it, I guess. If anything actually important to me
happens, someone usually tells me. I don't need to constantly see/read negative crap, day after day. I see enough of that on the
forums I frequent.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 1:20 pm 
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"A Winnipeg man is facing a number of charges after allegedly entering the police headquarters building and telling security he was armed on Monday afternoon."
"Police said the suspect, 43, was spotted pacing outside before he went into the building, where he was confronted by officers and threw a firearm -- later determined to be a BB gun designed to resemble a Beretta -- on the ground." I assume they have paved floors inside the building where he was confronted by officers before throwing the BB gun etc"

Appears initially he "wanted" them to shoot him, then decided against that scenario.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 1:52 pm 
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Just received this from CSSA:
The problem is 95% of Canada’s 2.2 million licensed firearm owners still think the government’s firearm confiscation plans won’t affect them.
They couldn’t be more wrong.


On May 11, 1995, before the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on Bill C-68, Heidi Rathjen said:

“We have an agenda and our task will be completed when all firearms have been prohibited, but as you can see, our position has been consistent over these five years and will not change.”[ii] "

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 2:16 pm 
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Daryl, this sort of supports my position that too many people are just trying to bury their heads in the sand on these issues.

Regarding your prior post, I think it is called "suicide by cop". So this is certainty a mental health issue.

I understand it happens more than you think. Esp. since there is a term for it.

The person I feel sorry for, is the honest police officer, who is just trying to do their job & survive on a daily basis. If they shoots this type of person, they will be crucified in the media, and probably lose their job, if not worse.

Speaking with the sales people at my local Cabela's about the airgun ban issue. They say that they can tell with fairly good certainty, who is buying airgun for regular purposes, and who is sort of sketchy, and most likely to be buying them for not so legal purposes.

If they can figure it out, why can't some sort of similar simple regulations be put into place, and save us all from an outright ban.

The current Liberal government will not be around for long. Once the NDP fills up their election "war chest" we will be having another election.

Most airgun retailers I speak with, including the guys at Cabela's feel the airgun ban will not happen. Since my collection of airguns currently sits at 82, with most being replicas, I certainty hope that is true.

But I understand Crosman Canada is being very selective on the types of replica airguns they are bringing into Canada. So the threat of a ban is already starting to effect us.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 12:02 am 
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Can't blame Crossman Canada one bit. 1st the prohibs on 1,500+ MAKES of rifles + some shotguns, stores stuck with stock they cannot sell!
Now THIS, with the proposed sub 500fps ALMOST all low powered air guns banned, including replicas of real guns.
Replicas (identical except speed) of over 500fps "regulated" ie: P.A.L. guns as well. All of them. I suppose Red Ryders aren't replicas as there aren't
any high powered Red Ryders, but to a Politician, they looks just like Winchester Model 94's - SO Yeah - those too.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 4:11 pm 
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That was one of the examples I used when I had a chance to speak with my local MP (Liberal).

I asked him if he thought banning people from having a Red Ryder was really going to solve the gun violence issue.


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