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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:56 pm 
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Headdamage wrote:
I will not rant again but good luck finding a m3x10mm screw on a weekend in Calgary :)

I'll get one during the week and try that. I was just taking a close look at my trigger and I can see how this might be enough to do what I want.

Thanks guys.


Go to the Canadian Tire and in the hardware aisle there's a bunch of drawers with an assortment of metric stuff.

Actually on my way there now to get some 3mm grub screws.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:47 pm 
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Scratch that. They only got down to 4mm... :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:13 pm 
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killercrow wrote:
Scratch that. They only got down to 4mm... :roll:


That is pretty much standard now ( Home Hardware is the same ) You need to goto specialty stores for anything smaller..


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:31 pm 
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Amazingly I just got a pack of four M3x10 screws at Canadian tire. They where a bugger to find in those draws but they where there... Thanks for the tip ☺️

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:38 pm 
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Headdamage wrote:
Amazingly I just got a pack of four M3x10 screws at Canadian tire. They where a bugger to find in those draws but they where there... Thanks for the tip ☺️
Good find, have fun!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:03 pm 
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At least someone got lucky :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:08 pm 
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It would seem that I have to do some more reading on this screw mod. I ran into a couple of unexpected issues when I just tried it. When I ran the 10mm screw in quite far the trigger pull became much worse than stock, very notchy, creepy, and heavy. I removed it and tried it with the original screw and it was back to normal. So I then put the 10mm in maybe 3/4 of the way... now the gun would not fire, it cocked and stayed cocked but pulling the trigger did nothing. Again put the original screw back in and gun is back to normal. Clearly I'm doing it wrong.

On the bright side I did notice how simple the anti beartrap mech was so that is now gone. So much nicer being able to decock the gun without firing it. I considered removing the ant beartrap on my WF600 as well but decided I didn't want to risk it with the under lever finger eater.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:10 pm 
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Figured it out, I wasn't screwing the 10mm in far enough and the head of the screw was blocking the trigger hence the no fire condition.

Now that I've got the screw in the right depth range it does result in a much better trigger, perhaps good enough to not bother going further. However, how safe is it like this? I'm wondering if enough sear is engaged to prevent accidental discharge if the gun is bumped or so knocked somehow.

I also had a look at the RC 5x8x2.5mm bearing mod, it makes sense but again how safe is it and is it more or less safe than the screw mod? Back to google I go...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:12 am 
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Try the bump test after you get the trigger adjusted the way you like. Periodically do the test so you know the trigger hasn't slipped adjustment or worn to the point of being unsafe. It's good practice to never cock the rifle until you are ready to shoot.

I tried a roller (washer stack) and didn't like the trigger feel. Some guys are fine with the roller bearing feel but it's not for me. It would be safer than a knife-edge adjustment with a long adjuster screw.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:04 am 
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Headdamage wrote:
On the bright side I did notice how simple the anti beartrap mech was so that is now gone. So much nicer being able to decock the gun without firing it. I considered removing the ant beartrap on my WF600 as well but decided I didn't want to risk it with the under lever finger eater.
Good job getting on it and fixing it up!

And taking out the bear trap. It seems both you guys are into that, I haven't done it. Maybe I should try that one.

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.22 Cometa Fenix, Airmax 3-9x40


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:29 pm 
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Headdamage wrote:

On the bright side I did notice how simple the anti beartrap mech was so that is now gone. So much nicer being able to decock the gun without firing it. I considered removing the ant beartrap on my WF600 as well but decided I didn't want to risk it with the under lever finger eater.


But then you need to remember that it is still loaded, and then when you want to unload. You need to either cock it and fire off the pellet or ram rod it out.

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Headdamage wrote:
On the bright side I did notice how simple the anti beartrap mech was so that is now gone. So much nicer being able to decock the gun without firing it. I considered removing the ant beartrap on my WF600 as well but decided I didn't want to risk it with the under lever finger eater.
Good job getting on it and fixing it up!

And taking out the bear trap. It seems both you guys are into that, I haven't done it. Maybe I should try that one.


Keep it in. Honestly it is a solution for not a problem. If I dry cock it, I place the muzzle into the ground and fire it off. And if you goto sell it, and not tell the guy, an accident could happen.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:00 pm 
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This Vantage is the first break barrel I've ever shot that had an anti beartrap, I was so confused at first I thought it was broken. I guess I'm an old luddite but I grew up shooting break barrels with out that device (having a safety at all was a novelty) and to me it just bugs me knowing it is there hence it being gone now. Also when making rough trigger adjustments I can hold the barrel back and simulate firing the trigger without a full firing of the gun. However, I like I said, I do think it is worth while with the under lever rifle due to having to put my fingers into the breech to load a pellet.

I'm temped to leave it in place on my Walther Falcon Hunter due to the shear power of that rifle though unless it is different than the anti beartrap in the Vantage all it will do it block the trigger and the Walther has an auto engaging safety like my Slavia 630 so I'm not sure that that it will do anything useful.

I did have a Chinese side lever, at one time, that had a practical anti beartrap. It prevented the action closing until it was fully cocked so if you slipped and lost your grip while cocking it didn't fly forward, it just stayed where it was till you continued to cock it.

All the device does on the Vantage is stop the trigger from being pulled, it doesn't lock the piston or sear in place. So as long as your safety is engaged it does nothing of use that I can see. In fact all it does is act as a temporary safety that is only engaged for the period from when the gun reaches full cock until the barrel is returned to battery. In theory I should have the barrel under my physical control during the process anyway.

To be clear this is a personal thing, I'm not advocating others remove theirs. Hell it took years for me to stop thinking ABS and airbags on cars was not just a scam to charge more for them though I have always liked three point seat belts. BTW... I'm still happy driving a car without ABS or airbags (two of my three vehicles don't have them) but I can now understand how they can be helpful.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:17 pm 
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Did some shooting with the vantage today and night and day difference from the screw modification. Much better trigger now and I did bump it around a bit to see if I could get an AD and nothing happened. I could screw it in more but I'm taking a conservative approach and doing it just enough that I can get some proper trigger feel but without getting close to a hair trigger state.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:32 pm 
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leadslinger wrote:
Keep it in. Honestly it is a solution for not a problem.
Yes, I still don't know enough about it, it's staying in.

Headdamage wrote:
night and day difference from the screw modification. Much better trigger now and I did bump it around a bit to see if I could get an AD and nothing happened. I could screw it in more but I'm taking a conservative approach and doing it just enough that I can get some proper trigger feel but without getting close to a hair trigger state.
That's exactly where I am with my Optimus trigger now. I'm going to be doing some chrony sessions starting this evening, a good opportunity to adjust the trigger some, find a sweet spot.

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