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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:44 pm 
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Cool. Give 2 pumps and see if it fires the gamo.
How are you ckearing the stuck pellets? Push rod from muzzle to breach?



I just repump the gun and shoot redo that 4-5 times until the pellet came out , it came out with speed.

I doest n know we can use the 853 like a multi pump
Sounds it's really not the gun's problem but an over sized pellet ... Doubt each 'shot' it moved forward a little bit untill finally fired out from the muzzle...

Maybe next time you can use a pull through line or any soft and fine wire to check if it moved inside the barrel or not to confirm this guess...

Try some better pellets then~

The Crosman might have the same problem, just not most of them over sized but you got one from time to time...

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:13 pm 
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I read on a blog in pyramid air web site, they talk about oilling the 853. I flood the felt 3 times with 30w non detergent oil and shoot everytime a couple shoot to push air inside receiver.

Now the 853 shoot really harder, the pling in the bullet trap was lot more lound. Think i set the trouble may be the internal seal was to dry to seal the air flow to the barrel .

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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Yes, that's pretty possible due to the long time it had been put aside~

Glad to see it shoots better now!

How's the accuracy? Groups well?

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:11 pm 
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matou2041 wrote:
I read on a blog in pyramid air web site, they talk about oilling the 853. I flood the felt 3 times with 30w non detergent oil and shoot everytime a couple shoot to push air inside receiver.

Now the 853 shoot really harder, the pling in the bullet trap was lot more lound. Think i set the trouble may be the internal seal was to dry to seal the air flow to the barrel .


Not sure what you mean by FLOOD. Sounds somewhat excessive, but it you are happy with it and it isn't dieseling, OK I guess.
Why isn't it dieseling?
This rifle has a leather seal?

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:20 pm 
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I doubt such a low power SSP rifle would dieseling... :)

If the oil need time to soak up and soften the seal again, just no need to add more, and the excessive oil would blowing out with the pellet I think...

And then, just follow the regular service guide to add one drop two drops from time to time should be fine then~

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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Pneumatic gun can't dieselling i check first and they talk about that on the pyramid air blog they says co2 and pneumatic dont diesseling..

Flood mean for me to over fill the felt until some oil may be 1 to 2 drop is not absorbe by the felt..

The accuracy was the same , at 6 meter every shoot touch togetter and score 10 in a scale down target for 6 m. By the way i shoot bench rest for testing.

When my son use it 15 years ago i drop 1or 2 drop of oil at every thin (500) i will follow the same road now.

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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matou2041 wrote:
Pneumatic gun can't dieselling i check first and they talk about that on the pyramid air blog they says co2 and pneumatic dont diesseling..

Flood mean for me to over fill the felt until some oil may be 1 to 2 drop is not absorbe by the felt..

The accuracy was the same , at 6 meter every shoot touch togetter and score 10 in a scale down target for 6 m. By the way i shoot bench rest for testing.

When my son use it 15 years ago i drop 1or 2 drop of oil at every tin (500) i will follow the same road now.

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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The Daisy x53 should do better than just a rugged big hole in 6 yards.

Considering yours is on the way picking up it's performance, I am still insist when things settle down, do a good barrel cleaning, and feed better pellets to it. For cheaper price, I recommend H&N Sport wadcutter. For higher price, I recommend RWS R10 (pistol, 7g) or H&N Finale Light or JSB Match Diabolo Green Tin (light weight, 7.33g).

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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YepYep wrote:
The Daisy x53 should do better than just a rugged big hole in 6 yards.


He did say every shot scored a 10 off the bench with an appropriately scaled target for 6m. I'd say that was good enough.

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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Good enough for me to start pratice in prone position. I used the rws hobby 7 gr to test

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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jckstrthmghty wrote:
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The Daisy x53 should do better than just a rugged big hole in 6 yards.


He did say every shot scored a 10 off the bench with an appropriately scaled target for 6m. I'd say that was good enough.
Just like my FWB300 can do the same with the Daisy flat nose pellet. BUT, it can do exactly the same hole with R10...

That's good enough, but not yet shows the full potential of the rifle~

Scores a 10 is just a beginning, I remember Olympic uses scores as 10.0 to 10.9... Otherwise, they need 3 golds For the competitors not gold, silver and bronze.... ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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YepYep wrote:
jckstrthmghty wrote:
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The Daisy x53 should do better than just a rugged big hole in 6 yards.


He did say every shot scored a 10 off the bench with an appropriately scaled target for 6m. I'd say that was good enough.
Just like my FWB300 can do the same with the Daisy flat nose pellet. BUT, it can do exactly the same hole with R10...

That's good enough, but not yet shows the full potential of the rifle~

Scores a 10 is just a beginning, I remember Olympic uses scores as 10.0 to 10.9... Otherwise, they need 3 golds For the competitors not gold, silver and bronze.... ;)


If you were competing for a spot on the national team for the next olympics I would have to agree. You need a better setup. For the recreational shooter the 853c is plenty accurate if the shooter is up to the task.

Decimal scoring is for the elite which I am not. I would think most would be pleased to hit a 10 in any format.

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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jckstrthmghty wrote:
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[quote="YepYep"]The Daisy x53 should do better than just a rugged big hole in 6 yards.


He did say every shot scored a 10 off the bench with an appropriately scaled target for 6m. I'd say that was good enough.
Just like my FWB300 can do the same with the Daisy flat nose pellet. BUT, it can do exactly the same hole with R10...

That's good enough, but not yet shows the full potential of the rifle~

Scores a 10 is just a beginning, I remember Olympic uses scores as 10.0 to 10.9... Otherwise, they need 3 golds For the competitors not gold, silver and bronze.... ;)


If you were competing for a spot on the national team for the next olympics I would have to agree. You need a better setup. For the recreational shooter the 853c is plenty accurate if the shooter is up to the task.

Decimal scoring is for the elite which I am not. I would think most would be pleased to hit a 10 in any format.[/quote]I agree that too~ just saying the 853 is good accurate rifle and can do better with better pellets...

And it's just 6m now, how about in 10m? I think the group would open up a bit just because of the pellet ... So it's no harn to know the potential of the rifle and try some other pellet when you have the chance~

RWS hobby is also a pellet with harder mixture of lead and thicker skirts... I have below pellets jammed in my guns before: RWS hobby, Crosman super pointed, and Gamo wadcutter. Just for reference...

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
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I will try more pellet for sure, i close to finish to buid a 23xx , hybrid between the 2300t and the 2300s. For now i have crosman, gamo, rws and winchester all wad cutter on hand. I will order some hn for sure i remenber it was really good on the daisy. For now i just take care to set up the problem wit the 853 i had make no test for pellet accuracy .

But between you and me if i can hit the 10 all the time with non expesif pills at bench rest that should be good enough to practice the prone position i dnot espect to do more than just relax on the basement :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Daisy 853c misfire
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:31 pm 
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Finaly get a chrony, the daisy shoot avg at 397fps that s really slow suppose to be 490 fps.

I test with 7 grs rws hobby.

Accuracy is ok but velocity is slow :cry:

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