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airgunguy64

Post subject: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:59 am

Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:26 pm
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Location: Alberta

So being new to springer rifles I inadvertantly dry fired my new crosman phantom. 22 about 10 times over a few days while trying to adjust the trigger.
I missed the very small print in the owner's manual saying not to dry fire as it can cause damage.

It still seems to work the same as it did before.

So my question is have I already damaged this rifle that may not be apparant right now but will cause issues later on.

Thanks.

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lauchlin

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:19 am

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Location: Vancouver Island BC

Well with out a pellet in it your slamming that piston into the end of the compression tube no good can come of that .The only way to tell if you have damage would be to take apart and look or chrony it and that's if you know what it was shooting at before dry firing so don't do it but gun is most likely just fine.....

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Ace

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:00 am

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airgunguy64 wrote:

So my question is have I already damaged this rifle that may not be apparant right now but will cause issues later on.

its very, very possible know you know not to do that

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airgunguy64

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:04 am

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Location: Alberta

Ace wrote:

airgunguy64 wrote:

So my question is have I already damaged this rifle that may not be apparant right now but will cause issues later on.

its very, very possible know you know not to do that

Yes now I know.

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MyCrosman

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:15 am

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Location: Thunder Bay,On.

Lauchlin and Ace are both right.....your gun is PROBABLY okay since it seems to be performing the same ....but its POSSIBLE to have ripped or nicked the piston seal...cost $2.35 Crosman.ca...
A visual inspection or at least a chrony is the only way to tell...

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Dukemeister

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:52 am

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Location: Kingston, ON

Crosman Phantom is a very good rifle to learn on. Make all your mistakes with it, its easy to fix and parts are cheap there are many many videos on how to fix, tune, tweak these rifles. You can pull it apart, and learn how it works in a few hrs. Dry firing could burn the piston seal, or crack the main spring but that is unlikely even in a pal phantom. Quite unlikely in a non pal. Even a brand new phantom can have a piston seal the looks burned, scratched, cut even. So if you want, just get a new one and polish the innards of the compression tube snd onstall it carefully. If the OEM seal looks ok, then reinstall it. Good luck.

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lauchlin

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:11 pm

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I have seen different non pal guns that have been dry fired so much the seal falls apart and the landing on the piston are broken so you can not install a new seal the metal pieces rattle around the tube and destroy the tube as i remember that was a old Webley i bought now i am mad lol .........

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delooper

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:01 pm

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Location: BC

I would imagine that at worst you've maybe smashed-up the head of your piston a little.

If it's only a little, there should be no functional damage to the piston. But if you find the gun isn't functioning properly, take it apart and inspect.

Replacement pistons are cheap and easy to swap. It's a good exercise to learn to take your pellet gun apart and inspect all the pieces. Your Crosman is a great gun to start on.

I usually buy replacement Crosman parts from the Gravel Agency: https://store.gravelagency.com/en/repla ... osman.html

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Leonardj

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:18 pm

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Very worst case scenario, you break the sweated joint between the front plug and the compression tube, and you knock the forward plug right off, as seen below.

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The piston seal was also completely destroyed on this gun.

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Ace

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:26 pm

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lol...never ran into that scenario Len :shock:

I've seen broken springs burnt piston seals, scared tubes
but never seen that

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Daryl

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:32 pm

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Yes, I would agree that that is likely the worse case scenario.

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Headdamage

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:47 pm

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Leonardj wrote:

Very worst case scenario, you break the sweated joint between the front plug and the compression tube, and you knock the forward plug right off, as seen below.

Attachment:

B15-0.jpg

The piston seal was also completely destroyed on this gun.

I knew not to dry fire them but I didn't think it could be worse than damaging the seal, piston, and/or spring. I didn't think you could write the whole gun off.

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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:31 pm

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[emoji38] that's really the worst case... You turned a break barrel into a 'break action' springer...

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Leonardj

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:14 pm

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Headdamage wrote:

I knew not to dry fire them but I didn't think it could be worse than damaging the seal, piston, and/or spring. I didn't think you could write the whole gun off.

Actually, the gun was not a write-off.
It was repaired and is, to the best of my knowledge, still in use.

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Headdamage

Post subject: Re: Dry firing my springer any damage??

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:19 pm

Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:23 pm
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Location: Calgary

Leonardj wrote:

Headdamage wrote:

I knew not to dry fire them but I didn't think it could be worse than damaging the seal, piston, and/or spring. I didn't think you could write the whole gun off.

Actually, the gun was not a write-off.
It was repaired and is, to the best of my knowledge, still in use.

Good to know it was repairable but I think it falls outside of my repair capability.

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