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matou2041
 Post subject: Tau 7 muzzle compensator
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:57 pm 
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Hi, i use a tau 7 for issf training, when i adjust my velocity over 420 fps i got muzzle flip.

The muzzle compensator really stop that or the only solution is to stay in the low fps and poor hole in target ?

Make ot simple the compensator really give me improvement fort the 100$ plus shipping it cost ?

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I found the compensator did two things. One, it added weight to the muzzle resulting in less flip. Second, the blast of air heading upwards or sideways tamed the muzzle flip some. I liked the compensator on mine.

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Mac wrote:
I found the compensator did two things. One, it added weight to the muzzle resulting in less flip. Second, the blast of air heading upwards or sideways tamed the muzzle flip some. I liked the compensator on mine.


It's munch more heavy than the regular sight holder plus a 50g weight ?

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Yup. I liked thew weight out front.

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Muzzle flip with a 177 ?

May I suggest

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I'd shoot the pistol at its most accurate velocity.
- Muzzle jump (if any) is only a concerned if you need to engage multiple target sequentially. (like the 5 targets strings in a rapid-fire match)
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sillymike wrote:
Muzzle flip with a 177 ?

May I suggest

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I'd shoot the pistol at its most accurate velocity.
- Muzzle jump (if any) is only a concerned if you need to engage multiple target sequentially. (like the 5 targets strings in a rapid-fire match)



I try a semi gorillagrip and your right it's work at 460 fps ( higher speed i can go to have 70 good shoot). It's inconfortable because the handle is small for my hand but i shoot lot of 10. I dont have to train my hand i was drywaller for the last 20 years and have to hold a screwgun on my hand 40hrs/week :D :D

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If I'd be closer, I'd invite you over to the range. A few bullseye relay at 50y with a 45acp... you would no longer notice the flip of the Tau
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sillymike wrote:
If I'd be closer, I'd invite you over to the range. A few bullseye relay at 50y with a 45acp... you would no longer notice the flip of the Tau



:D never try 45 acp but I play a lot with 357 mag i know what's recoil thrust me :wink: but for now with issf shooting we try to be accurate on mm and a just a small muzzle flip can change a (x) in a x or a 9 . To keep every shoot on the 7 little flip is nothing to stay on the 10 is a other story .

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matou2041 wrote:
sillymike wrote:
If I'd be closer, I'd invite you over to the range. A few bullseye relay at 50y with a 45acp... you would no longer notice the flip of the Tau

:D never try 45 acp but I play a lot with 357 mag i know what's recoil thrust me :wink: but for now with issf shooting we try to be accurate on mm and a just a small muzzle flip can change a (x) in a x or a 9 . To keep every shoot on the 7 little flip is nothing to stay on the 10 is a other story .

Ensure to follow through after you pull the trigger. You should be holding aim at least a full second after you pull the trigger. 2 seconds would be better. Just as sillymike mentioned muzzle flip is not going to change your POI on a single shot cycle. With any reasonable target pistol if you shoot a 7 it's because you were aiming at the 7 or close too. Resolve why you are aiming at the 7 during the shot cycle. I'm sorry I keep coming back to it but it's why dry fire practice is so important.

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jckstrthmghty wrote:
matou2041 wrote:
sillymike wrote:
If I'd be closer, I'd invite you over to the range. A few bullseye relay at 50y with a 45acp... you would no longer notice the flip of the Tau

:D never try 45 acp but I play a lot with 357 mag i know what's recoil thrust me :wink: but for now with issf shooting we try to be accurate on mm and a just a small muzzle flip can change a (x) in a x or a 9 . To keep every shoot on the 7 little flip is nothing to stay on the 10 is a other story .

Ensure to follow through after you pull the trigger. You should be holding aim at least a full second after you pull the trigger. 2 seconds would be better. Just as sillymike mentioned muzzle flip is not going to change your POI on a single shot cycle. With any reasonable target pistol if you shoot a 7 it's because you were aiming at the 7 or close too. Resolve why you are aiming at the 7 during the shot cycle. I'm sorry I keep coming back to it but it's why dry fire practice is so important.


Dry fire option is one of the raison i thinking to changey tau7 for a izh46m, other one is the to small grip for my hand. May be my follow thrue is to short. I get 510 avg from my last two game I really have to remove the 7 from my score.

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The NRA Precision pistol match (2700) is a bit like the old ISSF standard pistol

- You'd fire the course 3x. Once with a 22lr, once with a center fire, and once more with a 45acp

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2 strings of slow fire. Each string consists of 10 shots at 50 yards at a NRA B6 target. The bullseye diameter is 8 inches (20 cm)
1 National Match Course consisting of one 10-shot slow fire string at 50 yards, two 5-shot strings of timed fire at 25 yards, and two 5-shot strings of rapid fire at 25 yards.
4 strings of timed fire. Each string consists of 5 shots in 20 seconds at 25 yards at a NRA B8 target. The bullseye diameter is 5.5 inches (14 cm).
4 strings of rapid fire. Each string consists of 5 shots in 10 seconds at 25 yards at a NRA B8 target. The bullseye diameter is 5.5 inches.


As for the too-small a grip on the TAU-7, instead of replacing it with a IZH-46 (which is as good a reason as any to buy a new airgun)... wouldn't it make more sens to get a grip that fit your hand better?
https://www.precisiontargetpistolgrips.com/
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sillymike wrote:
The NRA Precision pistol match (2700) is a bit like the old ISSF standard pistol

- You'd fire the course 3x. Once with a 22lr, once with a center fire, and once more with a 45acp

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An example outdoor 900 match would include:

2 strings of slow fire. Each string consists of 10 shots at 50 yards at a NRA B6 target. The bullseye diameter is 8 inches (20 cm)
1 National Match Course consisting of one 10-shot slow fire string at 50 yards, two 5-shot strings of timed fire at 25 yards, and two 5-shot strings of rapid fire at 25 yards.
4 strings of timed fire. Each string consists of 5 shots in 20 seconds at 25 yards at a NRA B8 target. The bullseye diameter is 5.5 inches (14 cm).
4 strings of rapid fire. Each string consists of 5 shots in 10 seconds at 25 yards at a NRA B8 target. The bullseye diameter is 5.5 inches.


As for the too-small a grip on the TAU-7, instead of replacing it with a IZH-46 (which is as good a reason as any to buy a new airgun)... wouldn't it make more sens to get a grip that fit your hand better?
https://www.precisiontargetpistolgrips.com/



It's a bit more than just the grip, from chrismas i had use 250 co2 tank, i dont get the bulk fill kit for the gun. Only dry fire option is beetwen 2 tank on co2. I just start on the issf if I have to change I dont want to have to relearn everything with a new kind of pistol the tau 7 is really hard to find if mine broke.

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matou2041, I have a little .357 as well. I find it kicks a bit more than the .38SPL. For recoil, a .500 S&W kicks a bit more than that, OK a lot more, but doesn't hurt
like my M29 4" with the short, little round-butt grips on it. With 20gr. W296 and a 300gr. Truncated cone cast, it bloody well stings the hand.
I found the .500 very controllable - it climbed a bit, but not any higher than the 4" M29. With normal grips, the .44 shoots very nicely. Not many people
like them for "plinking", though.

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matou2041 wrote:
It's a bit more than just the grip, from chrismas i had use 250 co2 tank, i dont get the bulk fill kit for the gun. Only dry fire option is beetwen 2 tank on co2. I just start on the issf if I have to change I dont want to have to relearn everything with a new kind of pistol the tau 7 is really hard to find if mine broke.


If you think you'll be serious about ISSF 10M pistol
- Get a Steyr LP10 and be done with it... because that's what you'll end up with eventually (Or a Walther/Tesro/Mornini/FWB). So might just has well save the expense of buying/trading/upgrading various pistols.

If you're not quite ready to jump in the deep end of the pool, something like the used FWB C-10 and Walther CP1 (listed in the classified) would be nice options. Parts are still readily available. Bulk refill from a 20lb bottle would have you shooting for a long time (for not much $)
- The pistol are accurate enough to get you to the nationals

Over on CanadianGunNutz, there's a used LP2, LP10 and a Pardini K12 listed
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sillymike wrote:
If you think you'll be serious about ISSF 10M pistol
- Get a Steyr LP10 and be done with it...

Solid advise.

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