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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:27 am 
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When calculating the range of your EV, take about 20-30% OFF
- As they don't recommend you charge past 95%... or go below 15%

and then knock off another 30% as the battery approaches end of warranty (Tesla are guaranteed to deliver 70% at 8 yrs.).... That means in practical terms about half the advertised range, without using the heater or A/C, or climbing mountains, like to drive in BC.... :roll:

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And after 8 years what you think your very expensive E car is worth hmmm
And just remember some years ago propane was cheap so ever one start conferring there truck to propane AND all at once propane was not so cheap
So what you think is going to happen at charge stations when every one starts driving E cars hmmm I WONDER lol
Just were are the taxes going to come from for upkeep on roads HMM from cheap electric charge point
Really the cov will get there money one way or the other and we will all be screwed


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:32 am 
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I don't think the electric vehicles would work too well in northern Ontario. Winters can drop down to -40C. Lots of people pull boats or trailers during the summer and sleds during the winter. I'm guessing that towing loads will reduce battery time. I guess an EV "jerry can" looks like a small generator.


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:38 am 
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abslayer wrote:
What is the range of an EV in -30 weather
That would be my concern also
E cars makes sense only in warm areas and big city's not Canada and parts of USA

As I mentioned above EV's have issues. Extreme cold is one of them, you would be lucky to 200 miles out of one of the longer range models (shorter range models considerably less of course). Towing is another issue, if you need to tow heavy trailers long distances I would stay away from the current generation electric vehicles. I haven't seen an electric tractor that can replace my Diesel ones either, but that's beside the point. There are many uses that an EV is perfectly suited for.


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:56 am 
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Daryl wrote:
Just got this back from a friend on this very subject. He lives in Canmore, Alberta.
"And on top of all that the supposed economy of an EV is an illusion. When they pay for the charging it is just marginally cheaper
than fossil fuel which does not come close to compensating for the inconvenience and recharging anxiety (a term I got from an
EV owner) encountered when trying to get anywhere in an EV.

As well, even SouthWestern Ontario gets -30 nowadays, with this current "global warming".
The coldest it got from the 1950's to 1975, was -10F = -23C.


He must be using fast charging stations which I've heard can be almost as much as gas (maybe not quite lately). I would never buy one if I couldn't charge at home. Exact numbers will vary depending on where you are but charging at home is somewhere between 20-35% of gas costs. Some people never use a fast charger. They wake up in the morning with a full "tank" drive 50-100 miles a day and plug it in overnight 2-3 times a week.

Global warming is an average. Some places get wetter, some get dryer, some get hotter others get colder...


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 11:00 am 
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I wish manufacturers would have given us more hybrid options.
- As in, small gasoline/diesel engine running a generator to feed electric engines at the wheels.

Doing away with conventional transmission/axle could open up some interesting possibilities.


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 11:04 am 
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abslayer wrote:
And after 8 years what you thing your very expensive E car is worth hmmm
And just remember some years ago propane was cheap so ever one start conferring there truck to propane AND all at once propane was not so cheap
So what you think is going to happen at charge stations when every one starts driving E cars hmmm I WONDER lol
Just were are the taxes going to come from for upkeep on roads HMM from cheap electric charge point
Really the cov will get there money one way or the other and we will all be screwed


More than the equivilent ICE. The big hit is the battery but in 8 years from now I am confident battery tech, capacity, and avalibility will vastly improve. Taxes will likely come from your vehicle registration and renewal.

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 11:15 am 
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Wasn't there an article recently about "suggested" ways to tax EV?
- $ per km driven, with variable rates depending on time of day... Kind of like what they're doing with electricity


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 11:19 am 
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My father has an 8 year old Leaf, it gets about 90% of new range and he is the second owner (I think he bought it 5 years ago). He could sell it tomorrow for 75% of what he paid, maintenance has cost almost nothing and charging it at home hasn't changed his electricity bills by $10 a month. His experience is the norm not the exception.
They now have an Outlander plug in hybrid for longer trips, they charge it mostly at home too and use both vehicles daily. It uses maybe a tank of fuel every few months mostly because the motor runs to maintain lubrication.

Any time you see an article dragging EVs just look at where that "scientist" gets their grants, it'll be the fossil fuel industry every time.


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 1:27 pm 
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Tell you what!.... Come up to the BC Interior, where the nearest grocery store is a 50 km. round trip over a significant hill, and the nearest city with a population over 10,000 (and the services they provide, including medical specialists) is a 300 km. round trip, over mountains.... and it's 30C plus in the summer and -30C in the winter.... and let's see how practical your Leaf is!....BTW, there is only one place to charge (Princeton) between Hope and Penticton, a 350 km. one way trip over 2 mountain passes.... and there are only a half dozen "fast" chargers (1/2 hour instead of 5 minutes for gas) in Princeton....

For those who live in a city, and only drive a limited amount, an EV is practical.... For most rural locations, they are a bad joke!.... but that won't stop the governments from telling us it will be all we can buy in Canada after 2035!....

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 2:06 pm 
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rsterne wrote:

For those who live in a city, and only drive a limited amount, an EV is practical.... For most rural locations, they are a bad joke!.... but that won't stop the governments from telling us it will be all we can buy in Canada after 2035!....

Bob


Unfortunately, the gov. is making rules and regulations for the city folks.
- How else can you explain the various gun laws?


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2022 2:16 pm 
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100%.... :roll:

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Guys, agreed. Not a solution for all. Not yet or maybe ever.

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