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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:04 pm 
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No 12 bore nominally is .729/.730" bore size.
A 10 bore, nominally is also under 20 mm at .774".
20 mil is .7874", thus all 9 bore(not a normal bore shotgun) and larger shotguns are now prohibited.
8 bore, of which there were many, runs .835", all the way up to 2 bore, which is 1.326". Many punt guns used
for commercial water fowling here in Canada, the USA and Britain, ran with 1.5" bores, which is 38mm in size. They
used several hundred grains weight in black powder and up to 3 pounds of #1 shot. The longest, largest "bag" was in
New England (Massachusetts, USA) ranging from 100 to 125yards (the flock) and 128 birds were killed with that one shot.
Trivia, is all.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:29 pm 
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https://cssa-cila.org/rcmp-prohibits-fi ... otgun-ban/

"This morning, the RCMP confirmed the first 12-gauge shotgun prohibited under the new Order-in-Council.

The deadly evil weapon? An old Iver Johnson single-shot, fixed choke 12-gauge shotgun with a 2 3/4″ chamber. That’s right, a standard old farm gun.

RCMP Technical Unit Supervisor Tim Hobbs confirmed this firearm would be classified as prohibited in a phone call with a prominent firearms dealer."

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:44 pm 
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That is the first 12 bore I have ever heard of with such a large bore - almost 8 bore.
Makes me wonder if this gun was shot with a slightly obstructed muzzle and has expanded behind the choke as a result. The choke measurement of
.692" (14 bore) is normal for a full choked gun. Actually that measurement is nominally .690" ie: .040" of choke from normal 12 bore at .730". There is some
leeway on choking final measurements.
My Mossberg pump has a back-bored (normal today) bore with a measurement of .735". That IverJohnson is the first one I've heard of having a larger than
10 bore (.774") bore size.
Imagine "getting" $2,600+ for that old single shot. I'd sell it to the Gvt. for that. Afterall, it's "worth" about $150.00. Most of those are loose and perhaps should not be fired.
Seems to me, this same gun was mentioned back in May of 2020.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:00 pm 
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There was a lot of talk from the firearm associations about the RCMP and CBSA incorrectly measuring 12G barrels with removable chokes. I don't know if anything came of it or not.
We should never underestimate their ability to not only screw things up, but to do it deliberately.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:28 pm 
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No argument from me on that, paddyF.
As Blair said, the actual wording was VERY CAREFULLY CHOSEN.
That old gun did not have removable chokes from the factory, but however unlikely, might have been altered for them.
Some gun smith's do this "service", however the barrels are usually shortened some, to thicken up the walls of the tube.
It was evident the way this one was measured, that it was measured behind the choke, in the actual bore section of the barrel.
As noted, this example was highly unexpected by me. WAY oversize for a 10 bore, let alone a 12. Still suspicious that the
bore was purposefully expanded at that spot, to make a point.
.818" is 20.777mm.
Imagine being paid $2,686.00 for that gun.
I am holding a 12 bore Ithaca m34 for a friend, until her son 'gets' his PAL. Perhaps I should bore the muzzle out to 20.1mm. I am sure
she would rather have the money. LOL

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:47 pm 
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news on the "Nulifications" of permits.
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/03/court- ... vocations/

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:42 pm 
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From the CCFR:
On behalf of this coalition, the Liberals added a disastrous amendment to Bill C-21 effectively prohibiting several million additional, individual rifles and shotguns. These new prohibitions will include:

SKS
IWI Tavor & X-95
all AR180 and variants
Canuck bullpup shotguns
Crusader Arms
Kel-Tec Sub2000 (and others)
JR Carbine
Kriss Vector
Ruger PC Carbine
GSG 16
GSG 15
Norinco T97 NSR
Benelli MR1
Benelli M4
all B&T models
countless others

This amendment has been put forward by the Liberals and they have the votes to add it to Bill C-21. If Bill C-21 passes, and again they do have the votes, these firearms as well as all formerly prohibited firearms will be enshrined in legislation. 

Bill C-21 also now prohibits ALL CENTERFIRE SEMI-AUTOMATIC firearms with removable magazines.

Back in 2020, the Liberals banned over 2000 models and variants of hunting and sporting guns commonly owned and used safely by gun owners across the country. They said gun owners would be compensated for this loss and were welcome to purchase other guns as replacements…now, they’ve come for the rest of them. This is why nobody can trust a word these people say. But hey conspiracy theorists – they’re not “coming for your guns”.

So take notice Canada, yes they are, and it doesn’t matter what they told you yesterday or what they tell you tomorrow.   

The CCFR will come forward with a plan and provide more information in the coming days. Please continue to support your organization as we will fight these corrupt political parties (Liberal\NDP\Bloc and of course the Green Party), in every possible way.

Please also watch our website and social media account for more information.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:58 pm 
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Forwarded from the CSSA email:

Liberals Ban Semi-Automatic Firearms
 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE �


November 22, 2022


OSHAWA, ON � Today, rumours that Justin Trudeau�s Liberal government will ban semi-automatic rifles and shotguns are confirmed.


An amendment to Bill C-21, currently before a House of Commons committee, was tabled today that will ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns capable of accepting an external magazine.


That Bill C-21, in Clause 1, be amended by adding after line 15 on page 1 the following:
 

(g) a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed



This amendment also contains a huge list of firearms specifically identified by name, including the Simonov SKS and all variants, of which 22 are listed by name.


But the amendments are far worse than that.


Formerly unregulated spare parts, such as barrels and slides, will require a Possession and Acquisition Licence to purchase and possess.


The definition of Prohibited Firearm will be legislatively expanded to include any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy exceeding 10 000 Joules , a firearm with a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater as well as all semi-automatic long guns with detachable magazines.


Liberals also propose to ban 3D-printed firearms by outlawing possession of computer data that pertain to a firearm � that are capable of being used with a 3D printer, metal milling machine or similar computer system�


Liberals propose to criminalize the distribution of this computer data used by 3D printers and CAD machines.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:36 pm 
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So far, normal 12 bore semi-auto shot guns are not prohibited as they have tubular magazines. - So far.

I am sure by this: " metal milling machine" they meant CNC milling machine, but they did not specify CNC.
What about CNC Lathes?

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Daryl wrote:
So far, normal 12 bore semi-auto shot guns are not prohibited as they have tubular magazines. - So far.

I am sure by this: " metal milling machine" they meant CNC milling machine, but they did not specify CNC.
What about CNC Lathes?


There are semi auto shotguns with detachable mags. They also named the Benelli M4 as prohibited by name.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:55 pm 
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The Benelli M4 has a tubular magazine like most of our 'normal' shotguns. I assume they think it looks "Scary" because of the pistol grip.

I can only assume that if a gun looks scary to them, it will be prohibited. The big question, is what will THAT include.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:26 pm 
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List of new prohibitions by name.

https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/upl ... e-list.pdf

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Great, the Benelli super black eagle(and all variants)are also on the list. So yes ,even tube fed Semi autos are now included.

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Great, the Benelli super black eagle(and all variants)are also on the list. So yes ,even tube fed Semi autos are now included.

Plenty of bolt actions as well. You may note no mention of a "buy back". It appears they expect you to just surrender them.

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