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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:33 am 
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The Daisy Wadcutter .177 pellets I ordered from Cabelas came yesterday, they look like decent pellets.
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They were $5.99 + tax for 500, so I consider these to be cheap pellets.
Made in Spain, no weight on the package but I weighed the 3 packets I got and they average 7.6 gr.
I'll probably test them in my Daisy 853 when I get a chance, but I'm hopeful as they do look well made.
I also got 2 tins 500 ea, of SIG Sauer Venom .177 Pellets - but I haven't opened them yet.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:59 am 
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Please let us know how they shoots on your guns~ :) (especially if you have some pellet pickers~ [emoji38])

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:33 pm 
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i tried a box of these. They are much "fatter" (I haven't measured them yet) than the H&N Sports I have been shooting and are a tight fit in every gun I've tried them in. They shoot small cloverleafs in my Crosman 2100, and my Daisy 880. Not bad in my detuned B3 (625fps). They don't seem to like going fast, at least in my guns anyway. I bought a few boxes for my 880 and 2100 at Tool Town and saved on shipping. They really surprised me. While they look like the Daisy wadcutters sold in the metal round tin, they are not the same. I can't hit the broad side of a barn with those pellets in the round tin, but the pellets in the plastic box are accurate. They are the first Daisy pellet I would call accurate. And they're cheap too!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:41 pm 
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Yeah, that's what i want to know how it compares to the Daisy in the round shape tins...

Those are made in Spain too...

They shoot well in my low powered rifles, like HW30, FWB 300... However, have to say my HW30 and FWB300 never been a picky pellet shooter... They looks shoot everything well...

But my other rifles look not really like them too much... ImageImageImageImage

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:07 pm 
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YepYep wrote:
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^^^ That's one heck of a tight group! :drinkers:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:52 pm 
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Yeah... The rifle is really a good rifle and worth the money I invested~ ;)

But on my other higher power rifles, the Daisy is not performing too well... Below is one of the pellet testing result of my HW97K... Image

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:01 pm 
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I think wad cutters are good in lower power (say 650 fps) at 10m; for higher power - better go for domed pellet. It's just my feeling, because I'm a non PAL type, and all my guns are tuned accordingly. I do shoot my non-PAL guns out to 30 yards but I use domed pellets, mainly JSB Exacts. For my indoor range at 10 yards, I'm finding the wad cutters are good for punching paper. My shaky hands, lack of practice, and poor habits don't make for good shooting these days, so I got there Daises for plinking.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:59 pm 
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Thinking for the cheaper price tag, the Daisy pellet maybe not as consistent as other 'expensive' pellets, and in higher muzzle speed, minor flaws might cause bigger problem, so in higher powered rifles it didn't preform too well...

See my H&N Finales and the RWS R10 are both wadcutter, and they make one hole with my other picky rifles...

And I also thinking about how you load the pellet is doing its part to affect the groups... The domed head is easilier to load than the flat nose... Pushing in the flat head pellet to the breech could easily make it not heading at the center line of the bore and may cause minor issues which could be enlarged by the higher power...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:45 pm 
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Seen, like I mentioned the Daisy are plinking pellets, maybe hopefully can group in my .177 non-PAL guns. Here are some pics and observations of the Sig Saur Venom Pellets. They come in a clam shell plastic/cardboard wrap over screw top tin of 500. The package says 7.87 gr, but I weight the pellets and got 262 g for the 500, and that's 8.08 gr. So either the weight claim is off, or there are more than 500 in the tin. I noticed when unscrewing the top that it felt crunchy, and when lifted the foam there were pellets stuck to it so maybe this tin was overfilled. I'll weigh 100 and recalculate the weight. You know I'm a punster.. so weight for it! I will measure some head diameters and lengths as well.:P These were on sale $9.99 for the tin, I got 2 tins. So they need to group better than the Daisy or I wasted $8. Still, nowadays $10 for a tin of 500 is not a bad price. Remember free shipping on this order. BTW pellets were packaged very well - Cabelas did better on this pellet order than previous ones.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:59 pm 
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The Sig pellet looks better than I expected ~ and with a foam liner make it looks and feels not that cheap~ :thumbs:

Hope they shoot well too! Then I could put it on my wish list for next time too~

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:24 pm 
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OK, so I weighed 100 Sig pellets and got 52g (actually did the measurement a few times) so the weight is really 8.0x gr.
Maybe there are a few extra in the tin, so an extra dozen or so. I can't be bothered counting them
The heads are undersized averaging about 4.48 mm, the skirts are bigger at 4.68 mm and the O/A length 6.40 mm. I measured about +-0.02 mm on the heads and skirts. They are also out of round about 0.02 mm. The lengths were spot on so no variability in length. Not so for the Daisy pellets, as mentioned by others, heads are oversized, I got 4.54 mm heads, skirts at 4.60 mm and lengths were all over the place, Low of 5.20 and high of 5.56 mm. Probably the weights are going to vary on the Daisys as well. At work have a gr scale, if I think of it I'll go measure their weight at work. Expecting wildly varying weight pellets to group well is an exercise in futility and frustration.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:12 pm 
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Holy single holer! I'm impressed with the Sig Saur Venom pellets, definitely a good value for my 853.
5 shot ragged hole @ 10 yds. Scope is set at 9x its a 32mm objective AO scope. I thought I was shooting wild flyers so I wasn't even concentrating very hard, and it still shot this good. :drinkers:
Needs some scope adjustment and am a bit bewildered since I must have zeroed it with my other pellets (assumed to be RWS Hobby) and look how far off the POI is. Weird.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:06 pm 
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Well~ that looks the Sig Venom pellet is a good replacement for the JSB Exact Express then?

Who knows when we could have the free shipping promotion again?! I think I need to buy a few tins to try too!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:02 am 
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I placed my order for some tins of this Venom pellet, and plus the Daisy shatter blast clay targets, hardly made them reach the free shipping COUNTDOWN promotion and really save a little money for the order~ :)

Hope my guns can enjoy this new diet and have some extra fun on the next airgun friendly cottages trip with my friends and families...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:24 am 
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I got a chance to test the Daisys in my 853 today. They are no better than plinking pellets in this rifle.
The group is not at all tight, compared with the Sig Saur pellets they performed poorly.
I sorted a bunch into 3 stacks that were l>5.50mm; 5.50<l<5.25 and l<5.24 mm, and the group posted is for pellets with O/A length 5.24 to 5.20mm. I'm planing to weigh tem and see if the weights vary as much as the lengths. Still, not a bad price for plinking pellets, but looks like that what they are. Yep Yep, please let us know how the Sig Saur perform in your rifles.
The POA is the target on the left, note the 2 pellet types POI is off by the same amount, so the scope must have "shifted" in storage or something..


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