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Twiggy
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:19 pm 
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I got an idea,

What if I got .22 blank rounds from a hardware store (like those for ramsets) and used them to shoot .22 pellets out of my .22 rifle?

I think it should work no problem, technically speaking. Legally though is where I'd be very curious.

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There are a lot of Youtube videos of this.
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I have a group of students working on it right now. :drinkers:

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Would that be like a homebrew CB cap with a lighter projectile?
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TCooper wrote:
Would that be like a homebrew CB cap with a lighter projectile?


I had to look up what a CB cap is, but after finding out what it was, pretty much a homebrew CB cap yeah.

I was more so thinking, you don't need any license to buy pellets, and you don't need a license to buy ramset/nailgun blanks either, because of that, maybe it could be a way I could shoot my .22 rifle on my large multi-acre property, without having to go to a licensed range? Or would the fact of a real firearm being used, make that illegal?

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TCooper wrote:
Would that be like a homebrew CB cap with a lighter projectile?

Probably not. From what I read the CB cap has no powder load (and is rimfire) the Ramset has a powder load and is centre fire. We will be testing brown and green Ramsets for noise and muzzle velocity using 17 gr and 34 gr slugs, next semester. This dude inspired the project, look him up on YouTube: taofledermaus

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You better have a PAL if you are ever checked, twiggy!.... It would definitely be a firearm.... Of course a .22 rimfire already is.... :lol:

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rsterne wrote:
You better have a PAL if you are ever checked, twiggy!.... It would definitely be a firearm.... Of course a .22 rimfire already is.... :lol:

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Oh yes, I have a R-P.A.L.

My question is not about possession, as that's obvious, but more so about at what point wouldn't you need to be at an approved range (or crown land/hunting grounds) to legally discharge? If you're not using firearm ammunition would it be somehow an exception?

For sake of convenience since I have a property spanning multiple acres, that is about 50% forest, I just wonder if using the ramset/nail gun blanks and .22 pellet would be a somehow legal work around, to use my .22 single shot rifle, the same way as I use my airsoft/bb/and pellet guns?

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If you have a no discharge bylaw that covers your property, it affects all listed forms...check to find out. Might find it covers pretty much anything and may even include bows and slingshots. Common sense is in increasingly short supply, but woke stupidity abounds.

.22 pellets are generally .215" at the head... .22 rimfire barrels are normally .222" at the groove...not a good match up if accuracy is important.
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Gippeto wrote:
If you have a no discharge bylaw that covers your property, it affects all listed forms...check to find out. Might find it covers pretty much anything and may even include bows and slingshots. Common sense is in increasingly short supply, but woke stupidity abounds.

.22 pellets are generally .215" at the head... .22 rimfire barrels are normally .222" at the groove...not a good match up if accuracy is important.


Luckily, I live in a part of town where discharge is allowed. We actually have a very reasonable discharge bylaw.

However, even in an area where discharge is allowed, in terms of federal firearms law, you cannot fire a firearm on your property randomly for no justified reason (like pest control, etc) without building a range and getting it approved. So I am more so curious if my idea would allow me to get around that federal aspect of the law?

Maybe a firearms lawyer would know more.

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Hi Twiggy...I think I understand how you are thinking.

If I pop off a .22RF blank cartridge then am I "shooting" the rifle? If have a wax plug in front of the blank that shoots out the muzzle then am I "shooting"? What if I shoot a pellet through the barrel with a ramjet type of cartridge? At what point am I "shooting"?

I'm guessing that you are still "shooting" if a projectile comes out the barrel. You could shoot a BB cap, CB cap, .22 Quiet, short, long, long rifle and it's all "shooting". I think a primer driven pellet would still be "shooting" or "discharging a firearm". But, maybe my guess is wrong.
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If a projectile leaves the barrel you are firing a gun......

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Well obviously it would be a pal rate firearm and would be treated no different then any other pal rate gun .

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Yes - absolutely! I fail to understand how it could be anything other than discharging a firearm.
I suspect even shooting blanks might also be construed as discharging a firearm. If it makes noise,
it has the possibility of disturbing someone and that is all that matters to the police - "shots fired".
Whether or not charges will/would be laid, depends on the level of the "disturbance caused" I suppose.
"cause disturbance (by discharging a firearm)".

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If it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it may be classified as a duck. But fundamentally a Ramset (or Hilti or Dewalt or whatever brand name) uses these charges to fire a nail and it's not considered a firearm. In the present case because the Ramset is put into a firearm (designed to discharge bullets) then it's not the sound it makes but the intention of the user that would classify it as a firearm weather or not there was a projectile involved. We had to go thorough quite a process to get permission to discharge Ramsets attached to projectile through a barreled device - but we got the necessary permits, and off we go. If I remember I'll post the results in the new year.

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