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I have been wading through the ITAR Rules that the USA applies to barrels, and it appears they changed on March 9, 2020.... It appears this is an administrative change, but shows there may (eventually) be more chance of exporting barrels for non-military use from the US (to Canada, for example)....


Here is what those catagories mean....

The obvious intention here is to allow the export of non-military barrels to not be restricted under ITAR Rules.... Barrels over .50 cal are still ITAR items, however.... It appears that jurisdiction has changed from the Department of State to the Department of Commerce, so it may take a while before this actually means anything.... Cross your fingers....

Bob

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Dominion Marksman Silver Shield - 5890 x 6000 in 1976, and downhill ever since!
Airsonal; Too many! Springers, Pumpers, CO2, but I love my PCPs and developing them!
Proud Member of the 2000+fps Club!

Over the years, I've bought quite a few barrels from the USA. They did get sticky about scopes as well as triggers, for some reason, but barrels were still
coming to Canada.
ML barrels over .50 cal. have never been a problem in the past, but they are not .50 cal. Browning chambered.

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Daryl

Been trying to get a barrel for my condor from US no joy here ..............

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VE7SHM//VE7ZJ

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Really - I am surprised. What calibre& where is the sticky place?
Going back 2 administrations in the States, rules were introduced by Homeland Security that introduced fees
for the exportation of firearms parts. The air rifle barrel should no get hung up on that due to air guns not being firearms there.
>?????
Some companies who did little sales with Canada refused to get the export licenses.

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Daryl

Looking for 257 or 30 cal ........

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VE7SHM//VE7ZJ

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Is there some block on these calibres? I've not bought air rifle barrels from the States, but have bought CF bls. in .172" .308 and .257 as well as ML barrels,
up to .69 in the past. Not sure what the problem is. Haven't bought one for 10 years or so, though.
Perhaps Air Force or whomever is not shipping to Canada? Maybe the Cdn. Gvt. has a new agreement with the US about barrels too, now?

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Daryl

I have found it very difficult to get any barrels for several years.... LW won't ship to Canada, neither will Lilja.... https://riflebarrels.com/canada-importing/ .... only to select gunsmiths.... The problem isn't getting them into Canada, but it has been an offence to ship them out of the USA.... I'm hoping that will change, but who knows.... The last time I talked to LW, the permit price to export from the US was $380 USD per shipment!....

Borderview in Lynden, WA will import a barrel for $149 USD for the first one, $75 each additional, plus 5% of the total value, plus duty and taxes, plus shipping within Canada if you can't pick it up in Abbotsford.... However, when I asked them, they would not bring in any airgun parts (including barrels)!....


THAT explains it, Daryl !!!!.... .... It used to be no problem until the ITAR Rules came along (you can thank 9-11)....

Optics are the same, most companies won't ship Scopes to Canada, because the USA puts them in the same catagory as Night-Vision (or did, that may have changed again in 2020).... Gun stocks are the same, companies that used to ship to Canada wouldn't the last time I tried (pre 2020)....

Bob

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Dominion Marksman Silver Shield - 5890 x 6000 in 1976, and downhill ever since!
Airsonal; Too many! Springers, Pumpers, CO2, but I love my PCPs and developing them!
Proud Member of the 2000+fps Club!

I understand "things" have changed. Back when the other Trudeau was PM. he made an agreement with B.Clinton that rules would be changed (Executive order) that
no US citizen nor business would or could sell scopes to Canadian citizens. That is still ongoing.
I did buy barrels in around the 2003 or 2004 era, NP. THE ML barrels were back in the 80's, but my bro still buys ML barrels from the States, NP.

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Daryl

To be clear, the "other Trudeau" (the current PM's father, Pierre) was last in office from 1980 to 1984. Bill Clinton was U.S. President from 1993 to 2001. The two politicians didn't make the agreements you attribute to them.

Regarding getting barrels or other ITAR restricteed items, it's always been possible to get them.

The problem is that under ITAR regulations individual consumers lost the ability to order such items directly from US suppliers. For example, you can't order an LW or any other custom barrel from US barrel makers because under ITAR they are not permitted to ship them to you in Canada.

To get an ITAR restricted item that is allowed to be imported to Canada (some items such as suppressors can't be imported), it's necessary to go through a Canadian dealer who has an import licence. He works with a US supplier willing to get the necessary authorizations to export. This is how Canadians are able to get custom barrels from the US. Some Canadian dealers will import numbers of in-demand barrels, triggers etc. to have in stock for Canadian buyers. Other items may require a period of waiting.

and a rather large markup for their trouble.... I'm not saying they aren't entitled to make money, but the example I gave of Borderview will likely more than double the cost of a barrel for an airgun.... As I said, at one time, a US Export permit was $380.... ie $500 CDN....

Bob

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Dominion Marksman Silver Shield - 5890 x 6000 in 1976, and downhill ever since!
Airsonal; Too many! Springers, Pumpers, CO2, but I love my PCPs and developing them!
Proud Member of the 2000+fps Club!

So - when did this ITAR come into effect? The last barrels I bought from the States were in the early some time between 2002 and 2012.
My bro has been buying barrels from the States right up until just a couple years ago.
To purchase a rifle from Washington State just a few years ago, he had to go through the Alberta shop.
As far as P. Trudeau, it must have been a different Us President, then. This "arrangement" was made in the late 70's or early 80's.

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Daryl

If you don't need weird calibers might be cheaper to just get a CZ200 and take out the barrel. They are pretty thick and super accurate. I made one to fit my FX impact.

Not sure of the exact year, but ITAR Rules are supposed to keep Military Items out of the hands of terrorists.... The Optics thing was part of it.... Exporting ITAR banned items from the USA is the problem, not importing them into Canada, but the penalties are harsh (jail time) if you get caught.... I have no doubt lots of barrels and scopes came into Canada long after ITAR came into effect, I'm pretty sure some of the ones I got were among them.... .... I know TJ's got a nasty visit and were told to stop sending barrels to Canada years ago (maybe 7-10?)....

Bob

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Dominion Marksman Silver Shield - 5890 x 6000 in 1976, and downhill ever since!
Airsonal; Too many! Springers, Pumpers, CO2, but I love my PCPs and developing them!
Proud Member of the 2000+fps Club!