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Quadra
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:49 pm 
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I am trying to find the manufacturers official description for velocity, I'm considering purchasing one and with regards to the law would like to know if it is classified as a firearm. I've got an RPAL but that is not really my concern. I always assumed that the velocity of these former top tier match pistols was just under or skirting the 500fps threshold. However, I just read somewhere that they exceed that figure and as a result are viewed as firearms and restricted as well by virtue of being pistols.Is this correct?

Ya know sometimes I think that criminals got it real easy when it comes to guns in this country. I mean they don't have to pore over endless pages of vague and repeating legalese searching for answers, and they certainly don't have to post questions on forums to make sure they stay on the right side of the law. I mean, if they want a gun they just pick out the one they want, pay for it(no tax lads) and then use it. What could be simpler?
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jckstrthmghty
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In the 1981 Beeman catalog the FWB65 MK1 was listed with a muzzle velocity of 450-525fps. 525 being highly optimisitic. Realistically low to mid 400's with a 7g pellet and that's with a fresh spring(s). IMO if you find a 65 in good condition for sale and you have the disposable income to exercise at that moment, you buy it.

https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/beeman/beeman-catalogue-spring-1981/

Looking at those catalog picture sure brings back memories. If I could only step back in time and buy from that catalog with my savings of today. I'd buy everything right down to the fly shooter, multiples of everything. Wife wouldn't be happy that much is certain.

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Wow~ that model65 on the cover page is definitely a dream piece to me! And the chrome like premium model HW70 looks SO good too!

I have to agree if I came back to that time with the savings I have, I won't miss any thing on the catalog~ :)

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Wow, some very interesting reading in that link @jckstrthmghty and even more at the host website.
I have saved it for future reading when I have time. Thanks.

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Quadra
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Dukemeister wrote:
Wow, some very interesting reading in that link @jckstrthmghty and even more at the host website.
I have saved it for future reading when I have time. Thanks.

Cher nailed it when she sang "If I could turn back time-If If I could find a way"

In 1971 I was 19 years old. I went into Vancouver to the Harkley & Haywood sporting goods store, an establishment my friend and I had haunted since our early teens. I was looking for a new "pellet" gun since my Slavia 618 had packed it in. I'd never heard of Weihrauch before but I knew that the Weihrauch HW30 MKII was within my budget. The salesman show me some others but I've long forgotten what they were. I walked out the door with the Weihrauch and was as happy as a clam. It was $50 with a box of Marksman pellets(red box) and tax. That seemed like a lot of money for just a "pellet" gun. I gave it to my nieces' sons 4 years ago. Quality remains long after the pain of purchase.
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Quadra,
Well it all depends if you're going to be shooting ALLOY pellets or real quality LEAD pellets
Back in the day...companies were honest and used REAL lead pellets so this FWB Chart is what the specs were
from Feinwerkbau:

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Keep in mind that there are no NEW pistols anymore. So if you find an FWB 65 or 80 it will have been 'used' and traded over the years. It might need to be overhauled= $$$ and then still won't necessarily be to exact 'spec' with the velocity. In Canada most FWB 65/80 came from the Factory with only the 'single' spring. The US market got the Dual Spring configuration to allow for slightly more power. But at 10M target matches that was not necessary. However longer range target shooting required more power the US wanted.
What are you wanting to do with the pistol has more to do than its velocity unless you're looking to be competitive...then maybe look at something more recent. Just saying.
Best of success in your search.
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Mac
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Nice chart. Thanks.

Newer is not always better. I have never seen a bad FWB 65, 80 or 90. They are rock solid and shoot the lights out. Cibles in Gatineau, Quebec sell the tuning parts and online tuning videos are available. They are a very sound investment and a pleasure to shoot.

I had a Walther LP200 that was an amazing pistol, but I prefered the simplicity of the FWB 80 I had and not having to worry about fill level etc. I do not miss the 200, but definitely regret selling the 80.

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Mac wrote:
Newer is not always better.

I suppose it depends on usage. For casual shooting the 65/80 is ideal and will be more than capable than all but the most elite. If you wish to compete in 10m then pcp or even co2 imo is the far better choice, not that it gaurentee's better scores. I'd love to own a 65 but in no senario can I imagine would I give my lp10e for it.

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jckstrthmghty wrote:
Mac wrote:
Newer is not always better.

I suppose it depends on usage. For casual shooting the 65/80 is ideal and will be more than capable than all but the most elite. If you wish to compete in 10m then pcp or even co2 imo is the far better choice, not that it gaurentee's better scores. I'd love to own a 65 but in no senario can I imagine would I give my lp10e for it.

I shot mine in pistol field target, 10 to 25 yards. My scores with the Walther were higher, but not by much. If I were serious about 10 m shooting, I would certainly go PCP and probably the Steyr. I will probably never shoot CO2 again since I like shooting outdoors, even in the cold weather.

In recent years, I shoot spring powered guns almost exclusively. I have a nice Steyr LG100 that I shot a couple of FT matches with in the 2022 season, but I am back shooting my spring rifles again. Can't explain it, but I know I like shooting the spring gun rifles more than my pcp rifles. Maybe the challenge and uncertainty of it draws me.

Better can also mean different things to different people. I was thinking that the 25 to 30 year old or older FWB 65 and 80 pistols are going to outlast a PCP pistol bought within the last few years. The build quality is amazing.

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Quadra
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Mac wrote:
jckstrthmghty wrote:
Mac wrote:
Newer is not always better.

I suppose it depends on usage. For casual shooting the 65/80 is ideal and will be more than capable than all but the most elite. If you wish to compete in 10m then pcp or even co2 imo is the far better choice, not that it gaurentee's better scores. I'd love to own a 65 but in no senario can I imagine would I give my lp10e for it.

I shot mine in pistol field target, 10 to 25 yards. My scores with the Walther were higher, but not by much. If I were serious about 10 m shooting, I would certainly go PCP and probably the Steyr. I will probably never shoot CO2 again since I like shooting outdoors, even in the cold weather.

In recent years, I shoot spring powered guns almost exclusively. I have a nice Steyr LG100 that I shot a couple of FT matches with in the 2022 season, but I am back shooting my spring rifles again. Can't explain it, but I know I like shooting the spring gun rifles more than my pcp rifles. Maybe the challenge and uncertainty of it draws me.

Better can also mean different things to different people. I was thinking that the 25 to 30 year old or older FWB 65 and 80 pistols are going to outlast a PCP pistol bought within the last few years. The build quality is amazing.
I think that If I were lucky enough to find one at a decent price a FWB 65 or 80 would be more that sufficient to satisfy my casual target shooting needs. Ten meters indoors(my heated shop) on a cold winters day. Wish me luck and thank you all for your replies..Quadra
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I would consider the FWB Model 2 instead. Kinda wish I hadn't sold mine, now.
It was good for problem squirrels at spitting distance. All head shots.


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Mac wrote:
jckstrthmghty wrote:
Mac wrote:
Better can also mean different things to different people. I was thinking that the 25 to 30 year old or older FWB 65 and 80 pistols are going to outlast a PCP pistol bought within the last few years. The build quality is amazing.


Absolutely and I fully understand the draw of a springer. This is for receation not the olympics. There is no wrong choice. Just your choice. Agreed FWB makes amazing stuff.

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