Canadian Airgun Forum

Maybe it is not big chance that you will encounter, but when it happened, you are dead
Anyway we are not allowing have a pistol here except home and the way to the range so there is no point to discuss it if you are in Canada

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495fps Springers/CO2/PCP
PAL Rated plinkers and target rifles
Finally get my PAL after 1 year waiting

Or travelling in rural NWT. Personally in that senario I'd choose a shotgun with a mix of 00 buck and slugs over a pistol of any type.

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I have some airguns.

golden eye he never aims

Is aiming necessary? Depends on the circumstances of the situation.
Accurate pointing can be accomplished easily at close range in a defensive situation.
If shooting targets, I suggest you aim, using sights designed for that purpose.

As for self defense:

12 bore is best.

Buckshot is too random, even on black bear at close range and most often won't work at all on grizzlies.

Slugs never fail, if placed correctly, even on grizzlies. If you can't place them accurately, practice until you can.

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Daryl

Point + Counterpoint = What's the point?

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Tim
CAFTA Governor

My shooting buddy can attest. Has quite a bit of remote land, kept bees. Irrestable to a hungry bear. Encountered a large black bear at night while checking the property. It charged. From his account first shot with 00 buck barely slowed but second did the trick. Now that would've been something, shotgun practice with Daryl's boys.

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I have some airguns.

In the context of 10m air pistol, good trigger control will make me land my shots inside the 7 ring. Good front sight to target alignment will land my shots inside the 8 ring. And proper front sight to rear sight alignment will land my shots in the 9 ring.

So yeah don't bother with aiming unless you got the trigger pull correct.

Neither works for precision, without the other, but with training and proper trigger control, it is amazing how well you can do
with a handgun - shooting instinctively. At 7 to 8 yards, the grouping should be in 3/4" inch to 1". With enough practice
you can get that down to 3/4" every time. It's all about concentration and trigger control.
Gun held in both hands, beneath the line of sight and level with the shoulders.

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Daryl

A clear crisp front sight makes all the difference. If you are doing it correct the target will be fuzzy but a clear front sight. If both are fuzzy then your going to have a rough scoring day. No need to focus on rear sight alignment if you have a consistent grip. Trigger are very much personal preference but adjustability is key.

Two hands? Funny story. I was reprimanded at my new range during the restricted qualification session for drawing the pistol from ready low one handed. STOP, two hands! Opps. Embaressing. We talked later and clarified it was due to ISSF 10m air pistol and sport pistol, the main disciplines I practice. All done single handed no support. The instructors were all ipsec guys.

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I have some airguns.

Haha wonder what would they say if you aimed the gun single handed and sideways.

I do get much better precision using one hand tho, but aiming is much faster if using 2 hands.

1-handed better grouping? I'd have to see that. 2-handed at 10 meters with air pistol, I can shoot all 10's. can't even come close with one hand.
I was trained to use 2 hands back in basic in 1972, and from 1980 till 1996, I taught 2 handed but of course, my training was not for shooting
paper bullseye targets. We used B27 targets & shot from 7, 15, 25 and 50yards.

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Daryl

During the ISSF 10m session at my club shooting a 100 is a special thing with much congratulations and ribbing to follow. Internationally in that format there has never been a perfect score 594 being the highest.

(Edit. 10?? Opps. I meant 100.)

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I have some airguns.

Absolutely - but that's the difference in precision between one and 2 hands - so much more difficult with one hand. That's why we were trained to use
2. Years ago, all handgun shooting by police was with one hand. That style went up to about the 1960's, then changed for better accuracy/precision
& accurate rapid fire. 1 hand takes too long to aim and concentrate on trigger control. Shooting quickly with much more rapidly acquired trigger control
can only happen when using 2 hands.
6 plates, 10 yards, 2 seconds including the draw, with a 1911, shooting 300gr. FN's with 7.7gr. Blue Dot, 770fps. 10's not required, just hits in the 8" kill zone.

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Daryl

With a properly fitted 10m target pistol grip you can absolutely achieve better precision than using 2 hands.

Your wrist and forearm joints are all locked holding the pistol by one hand. Can't do that holding the gun by 2 hands.

But I've never gotten 100 yet. 96 was my best so far. Maybe I should try 2 hands again

I have to believe that the only reason 10M shooter hold with one hand is that it is illegal to do otherwise.

If you take a raw beginner and teach proper one hand and two hand holds, I would bet they will be more accurate with two hands right off the hop. You may be able to lock your elbow and wrist after much practise at 10M shooting, but you cannot lock your shoulder. A good two hand hold can take the horizontal part of the sway out of the equation or at least reduce it by a fair margin. You also have two hands supporting the weight of the gun, reducing that concern as well. If you have not tried holding an official 10M pistol out at arms length and holding it still, it may surprise you how quickly it gets heavy and starts to shake.

It would be interesting to see if an Olympic level 10M pistol shooter could perform as well with two hand after much practise. Olympic level shooters are pretty scarce, so I may have to just keep wondering. I have shot 10M pistol at the Grand Prix in Toronto and I can tell you without a doubt, I can shoot more accurately using two hands.

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Tim
CAFTA Governor