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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 7:59 am 
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how many bar did u fill it to...what are u using to gas ur gun....were u dry firing your gun like shooting it without pellets in it?

ive left my pcp air rifles hanging on the wall...gassed with air....picked them up like 8 months later and shot it and it was fine..didnt even have to adjust the scope....

not that your supose to do that but theres nothing wrong with pcp rifles exept if you dont know how to use them or get it replaced...


The gun was topped using new hand with moisture filtration component to approx 2900psi. Gun arrived with approx 2000psi that didn't change for a week before I topped to 2900psi for function test. The regulator remains untouch set at 1900psi. Fired both 10rd magazines, returned rifle to storage still above set regulator pressure. Gun now passes air out muzzle enough I can hear it dumping 3000psi in a few hours.

I'm a shooter, not a repairman. If constant teardown, repair or replace is PCP commonplace, it's obviously not for me.
When you cock the gun again, Did the leaking stops? (if the tube is emptied already, need to pump it back, just above the reg setting should be fine,before you try)

Sometimes just the valve return spring causing the valve didn't seal well after a shot or some storage... It just didn't run in...

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 8:15 am 
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If trudeau pays me for my hunting rifle I was thinking of using the money to get a compressor and a PCP gun.
I'm too old to hand pump.
I have always been concerned I would spend more time replacing parts than shooting though.
I would still like to try it out .


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 8:44 am 
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Hope your next shooting experience is positive.


Thanks.
Out of well over 60 firearms of various center fire and rimfires this has by far been the absolute worst investment ever made in my 30+ years of gun ownership. Never have I paid this much money for a gun that's dead after 20 shots needing tear down repairs
My honest opinion from my personal experience of owning a pcp rifle, lesson learned I will never again invest this much money on products that won't last 10 minutes of use before failure, making gun un-operable in need of repairs.

Hopefully others considering PCP can take note not to waste money on overpriced junk you have fix on your own or else look at your expensive paper weight . Biggest disappointment in all my years of firearms ownership and the most wasted money spent on a firearm thats dead after first five mins of use.

For 1500.00 worth of gun and accessories to upkeep I was able to fire twenty shots, now I have a broken gun needing repair...As a hunter and target shooter, the biggest waste of firearm investment ever made. I won't ever make this mistake again and wouldn't ever recommend a PCP to anybody who wants to buy a gun to target shoot with.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 9:57 am 
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No Product is prefect and to expect perfection is a recipe for disappointment. You have what seams to be a minor problem. Retailer should fix you up, as it is new item minor or major issues. Why would you assume that once fixed You would only get another 20 shots and need repairs again. Once repairs are done you should be fine. You do not have to be a mechanic to own a car. But you do have to work with dealerships for warrantee work and or repairs. You have to do the same for PCP's as well. If your new car broke down you would not say, I wasted my money and claim driving is not for me. Or that you would not recommend it for anyone. No you would go to the dealer and have it looked after. Then enjoy driving it after it was fixed. Same with your PCP. Better not to take an all or nothing approach to a temporary glitch. Disappointing to have bad first experience. But you can get passed it and enjoy PCP shooting again.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:15 am 
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your making it worse then it is.... like said u have a small problem that could easily get fixed.....

pcp rifles are great and can last you years of target shooting and hunting...mine have...


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:42 am 
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CBS shooter wrote:
No Product is prefect and to expect perfection is a recipe for disappointment. You have what seams to be a minor problem. Retailer should fix you up, as it is new item minor or major issues. Why would you assume that once fixed You would only get another 20 shots and need repairs again. Once repairs are done you should be fine. You do not have to be a mechanic to own a car. But you do have to work with dealerships for warrantee work and or repairs. You have to do the same for PCP's as well. If your new car broke down you would not say, I wasted my money and claim driving is not for me. Or that you would not recommend it for anyone. No you would go to the dealer and have it looked after. Then enjoy driving it after it was fixed. Same with your PCP. Better not to take an all or nothing approach to a temporary glitch. Disappointing to have bad first experience. But you can get passed it and enjoy PCP shooting again.


Considering this is now the second product from the same company (manufacturer) that has broke after one use. Yes the other was complete different platform (springer) that failed after the first 3 shots mechanical failure needing warranty repair.
So I have gave a second chance to the same manufacturer years later different platform only to have yet again same results. Nothing to do with operator error, mechanic failure. My assumptions are well justified from personal experience, after the first 5 mins of use mechanical failure
So if it was to get fixed I should feel lucky to at least get two or three time more shooting until the next problem puts it out of commission. Not practical to send a firearm cross country for repairs after each use...
So it seems hard for many to grasp I never for once ever purchased a pcp to tear apart fix and repair in order to just use the new product I paid for.
The best warranty to have is a warranty that never gets used

Warranty doesn't mean anything when my paid in advance weekend away with friends shooting airguns is now a paid for canceled financial loss I'm not able to attend.

If these problems are easy fixes, why nobody can explain why the manufacturers can simply make a product that works and not breaks after 5 mins?

No where in all my research was I ever informed, don't ever buy a PCP unless your willing to fix and repair yourself. Sad only now after investing this much money on a failed product am I actually learning the truth about PCP ownership...


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 11:12 am 
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Most pcp experiences are exceedingly positive. There known instances of reliablity like the FX Impact orings, a higher end pcp, when first introduced. There are bound to be more reliability issues as the price point goes down. My own pcp experience has been very positive only once having issues on a used pistol which was fixed with a tune up. Otherwise I just shoot, 10's of thousands of shots and still going strong. It seems you got the bad apple twice and that's unfortunate.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 11:12 am 
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Ravenairgun wrote:
your making it worse then it is.... like said u have a small problem that could easily get fixed.....

pcp rifles are great and can last you years of target shooting and hunting...mine have...


What's worse than having invested 1500.00 for 5 mins of use before needing repairs?

Glad your happy with yours, I'm done wasting time money and energy on products that can't perform for 10 mins before needing repair.

It's now making sense why most firearms dealers don't sell PCP products.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 11:37 am 
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you might of got debris in ur gun when coverd it with olive oil.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 11:51 am 
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YepYep wrote:
When you cock the gun again, Did the leaking stops? (if the tube is emptied already, need to pump it back, just above the reg setting should be fine,before you try)

Sometimes just the valve return spring causing the valve didn't seal well after a shot or some storage... It just didn't run in...


Tried several times as to your suggestion, filled gun three times only to dump full charge out muzzle in short time.

Thanks again but I'm done, this has been an expensive lesson learned never to attempt again. I could have spent 1500.00 on a million things yielding far more than 5 mins of use.

Worst experience in 30+yrs of firearms ownership Ive ever had. I have not one ounce of interest left to pursue this further.

Biggest waste of money in my entire life of firearms ownership imo..

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 11:58 am 
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Ravenairgun wrote:
you might of got debris in ur gun when coverd it with olive oil.


Olive oil never touch any part of firearm period, the stock was removed treated and not reattached for a week.

Thanks for blaming manufacturer's lack of QC on the end user. Great advice always accuse the operator of error.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:47 pm 
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ya i mean if you dont want to do anything to fix it or figure out whats wrong with it then what ever.... theres lots of people who could figure out whats wrong wit ur gun and get it fixed within the day without having to send it any were...thats the whole point of the forum....

my pcp rifles run great....and can pick em up and shoot em no problem...and im sure lots of other peoples do the same...


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 4:17 pm 
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Ravenairgun wrote:
ya i mean if you dont want to do anything to fix it or figure out whats wrong with it then what ever.... theres lots of people who could figure out whats wrong wit ur gun and get it fixed within the day without having to send it any were...thats the whole point of the forum....

my pcp rifles run great....and can pick em up and shoot em no problem...and im sure lots of other peoples do the same...


Considering of all the personal research and recommendations on PCP from various sources, never not once was ever informed or educated that tear down fix and repair is part of PCP ownership.
Where the frustration and disappointment really sink in is only now after the fact I'm 1500.00 deep with a brand new broken gun that couldn't last for 10 mins of operation am I now finding out by so many, either fix it yourself or your kind of screwed owning a PCP.

What makes the experience worse is now being accused for operator failure, and insulted by some for not being an educated airgun repairman or having training and a racing license to drive my car.

I only hope anybody considering buying a PCP to shoot and enjoy understands, I've wasted 1500.00 for accessories and broken gun I never purchased to fix myself after 5 mins of use. Zero enjoyment and now sitting on the sidelines with nothing more than debt and regret..

There obviously some great members here, but I'm done considering how much money I've spent with zero return. I cannot continue wasting anymore money for nothing.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 4:49 pm 
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I had a lot of trouble in the beginning as well but thanks to the good folks here and at
gta airgun site my cayden is now a tack driver.Learning about compressed air is a big
endevor and takes time.I had a lot of problems as well but now can take my gun apart
blindfolded and have a way better understanding.Pcp is bit money to get started but
once you have all the stuff its not bad.I use a hill mk5 hand pump as backup and have
a new 100 cu ft steel 3442 psi tank with a fill station from the uk that has the slowwww
fill option very slow indead the gun doesnt even get warm.Dont give up thinngs will get
better in time its a learning curve but so much fun.Yours truley FlyFisherMan


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 5:04 pm 
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I guess now we just wait for the for sale sign to go up, I smell a good deal in the future.

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