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Yes, to make the law more clearly they should do so... But leaving this'bug' who knows if also their purpose because when they had the need, they can use ANY pellet they like to test fire your gun to make it legal OR illegal... Usually we just guessing they should use the standing Crosman pellets because they won't 'waste' the money to buy expensive good pellets for the job...

Sometimes using the 'worst/best' scenario to explain things could help... I remember this law years ago just because I read that when you have something to shoot a 10lbs lead ball at 495fps, you don't need the license... You can calculate how much fpe for a 10lbs lead ball at 495fps... [emoji38]

And you have mention another thing... For a non PAL gun (whatever calibers), you can buy, keep, store without a PAL. BUT, shooting it would be another story... Because we have quite a few other laws to prevent you from discharging a gun (whatever any gun, maybe water gun is the only exception...). For example we live in Toronto... Actually we can not shoot in our own property, living room, bed room, basement... Because they all within the city limit and by-law not allowing discharging... So... Just don't let anyone knows what you are doing... Keep it quiet...

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im just saying they cant charge you with somthing that doesnt make sense so why even have permits...

u said shooting its another story its not tho because the muzzle velocity is already set....

Yep... Gun laws not making any sense... Just the tool for gov to control ppl...

Your two example above are both PAL guns because they met both conditions (500fps AND 4.2fpe)...

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They CAN charge you if they wanted... So Just don't let the thing starts...

Just like I said, we usually consider they use the 14.3g CPHP to test your gun and found it at 495fps... Good, you are free to go.

BUT, in the law, they never mentioned they will use the CPHP... How about they use something alloy pellet which just 10g??

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CZ200s Laminated @ 10fpe
AA ProSport 177 @ 12fpe
HW 40+Extender/Scoped P3/70/75

I do not have a problem understanding this.

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I.e the GAMO 9.7g alloy pellet at the same energy of 7.8fpe 14.3g at 495 produced can put your gun at 600fps...

So, 600fps and 7.8fpe... You are shooting such thing without the license... [emoji38]

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Tau-7/IZH-46M/FWB-65/CP88
~Target~
HW 30s/35e/97k
CZ200s Laminated @ 10fpe
AA ProSport 177 @ 12fpe
HW 40+Extender/Scoped P3/70/75

ok so what pellet could you possibly use with a legaly bought .22 cal and a .25 cal that would make it legal....

it can be either 500 fps or 4.2 fpe but theres no way you can get both...

i guess just keeping it at 500 fps would be the only thing you could do for people without a permit....but if they still wanted to charge you they could so whats the point...


makes no sense

A Canadian SUB 500fps gun in .25 calibre, MUST be under 500fps with ALL pellets, no matter what the fpe is.

Same with a .22 as it also will be producing over 4.2fpe with ANY pellet it can discharge. It cannot exceed 500fps with ANY pellet.

Only in .177 calibre air rifles, can the velocity exceed 500fps and still be LESS than 4.2fpe. If it exceeded both 4.2fpe AND 500fps with any pellet, it would be a P.A.L. rifle.

Licensing (P.A.L.) means you have passed the Government safety test, allowing you to possess more powerful rifles.

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ok i get what ur saying it cannot exceed over 500 fps with any pellet but it does and you can legaly buy it...

with what any pellet you can buy or any pellet you have on you...because if its any pellet you can buy that would make .177 .22 cal and .25 cal PAL

Yeah... So The 495fps non PAL usually only happened after you know how to tune it or service and DIY...

Factory guns are usually on about 460fps (stock 2240 is a good example) or less (detuned to 300ish is not rarely seen), because the manufacture won't want to have any liability or trouble for what they make... If you want to be on the safe side.... That's what you can do, just don't alter the gun you bought from CT...

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~Target~
HW 30s/35e/97k
CZ200s Laminated @ 10fpe
AA ProSport 177 @ 12fpe
HW 40+Extender/Scoped P3/70/75

ya but its still techinialy a pal gun that u can legaly buy and any caliber air gun without altering it can be PAL just by what grain pellet you put in it.... which makes there airgun law make zero sense and they could never charge you for a PAL airgun you legaly purchased without a permit...

Yeah... Even 430fps using 14.3g can make it 520fps When using the 9.7g Gamo pellet As example above...

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~Competitors~
FWB300SU
Tau-7/IZH-46M/FWB-65/CP88
~Target~
HW 30s/35e/97k
CZ200s Laminated @ 10fpe
AA ProSport 177 @ 12fpe
HW 40+Extender/Scoped P3/70/75

what ever what a dumb law...

just keep em under 500fps for the people witout permits i guess...

Well glad that's over .

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Frustrating.

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