Canadian Airgun Forum

Here is what I am thinking:

HW77/97:
https://dlairgun.com/products/sling-swi ... 8fa5&_ss=r

Or this for the HW100:
https://www.bestfittings.co.uk/shop/gen ... 17mm-black

Dave

Pretty much anyone who owns an HW97, HW77, TX200 or even a Walther LGU can show you impressive groups shot with their rifles. That does not mean you will be able to do that. These people have found the guns they prefer and not surprisingly, can shoot well with them. Find "your" gun.

Looking at spring guns that win FT competitions shows that all of these guns are capable. Not trying to sell you a gun, just want you to get the right one for you.

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Tim
CAFTA Governor and lifetime learner

Mac is spot-on. It takes some serious testing to find out what the gun likes. A pellet that shoots well with the rifle rested in the middle of the forend, might not shoot well when
the gun is tested on the end of the forend.
We've oft times heard of the "Artillery Hold" with springers. Neither of my 97's shoot better with that position than the other two noted. What does make a difference in accuracy,
is having no rear bag and just supporting the butt against the shoulder with the offhand, when shooting from a rest. I personally do not like the Artillery Hold as I prefer some weight
on the front bag. With the gun rested back at the trigger guard, there is the possibility of gun movement during the trigger squeeze. Middle of the forend works for me - but your
experience might differ.
Also, you cannot shoot a group, unless the gun is rested pretty much exactly the same each time as the point of impact changes with different holds. Thus, you must find a position
that shoots the same poi standing/offhand, as from a bench or sitting, etc.
I have not tinkered with my HW's as they shoot just fine, straight out of the box.

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Best Wishes
Daryl

Clarification - I prefer not to have a rifle rested close to it's balance point(artillery hold). Resting on it's balance point makes for more movement with a small amount of input, as with heart rate for example.(my current problem).

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Best Wishes
Daryl

Here is the thing with air guns or powered firearms No mater how good you are at shooting if gun is not capable of tight groups you are screwed
So buy the best you can afford You are not going to shoot groups like have been shown with a Canadian tire $150.00 air gun

The problem for me, and I suspect many airgunners in Canada is there is realistically no way to handle and test shoot higher end airguns and then decide.

There is no field target activity here where I live, on the prairies so no matches to attend and see other airguns. I have never spoken to anyone who has a TX or HW77/97 that I could try out. It is what it is, so I rely on research on the internet and what others have to say, which I appreciate.

I am leaning towards an HW97 right now in .177, as I find the TX a little too much "bling" with that shiny finish to the metal and admittedly fine woodwork. I would also like to sling the rifle and the ball catch for the TX underlever makes me think it may not stand up to the strain of a sling very well.

Cheers,
Dave

I did what you're doing 14 yrs ago and never looked back. The HW97 is a safe bet!

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Iacio, ergo sum

You could always do as I did. Take a chance (not much of a "chance", mind you) and buy a high-end springer and find out for yourself.
I first bought a .177 Blackline HW 97. Then I bought an HW98 in .22. Then a friend needed that one more than I did, so sold it to him and bought another HW97 in .22.
Then I bought an HW thumbhole stock from another friend and put it on the Blackline, removing the plastic stock and sold that to a 'friend' here at ALR for $100.00
so recovered 1/3rd of what I paid for the thumbhole stock, thus the HW97 KT I now have, ended up costing me $750.00. They were slightly cheaper when I first bought, than
they were now.
Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and step out of your comfort zone.
My HW97 in .177 runs, for speeds:
7.93gr. Crossman HP - 895fps
8.44gr. JSB 4.51mm - 872fps
I used it with Predator pellets of 8.0gr. for shooting field rats to 56yards VERY successfully.
Very flat trajectory.
A .22 Version will not be as flat shooting.

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Best Wishes
Daryl

I was able to hold a right hand TX200 Hunter carbine today. Found a used one at my local gunshop but it was already sold. What an extremely rare find in my area.

It's as heavy as I knew it would be especially given its compact size. I just wish I could have shot it.

If only I could find an HW 77 or 97 to at least hold and check out.

The weight is very helpful about accuracy on a springer~

The HC is a very balance springer rifle. Comparing to it, you might feel the 97 and TX are a little more head heavier...

How do you feel on the grip?

My PS has a bigger wider grip than my HW rifles. They are all comfortable, the Weihrauch grip is a bit slimmer and a little more towards the stock, so mostly ppl find the index finger not long enough to pull the trigger and enjoy replacing the stock trigger with the set-back trigger blade...

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~Plinkers~
FX-M3-22 Compact#PP700-Carbine#Diana48-177#XS28M-25@26fpe#HW45 Beast#AW-Custom Z-Killer DE
~Competitors~
FWB300SU#Tau-7#IZH-46M#FWB-65#CP88-C
~Target~
HW 30s/35e/97k/40+Extender/P3+Scope/70#CZ200s Laminated@10fpe#AA ProSport-177@12fpe

Sorry... Have no idea why the smart computer thinks that up side down direction is the correct direction... I couldn't change it..... [emoji38]

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~Plinkers~
FX-M3-22 Compact#PP700-Carbine#Diana48-177#XS28M-25@26fpe#HW45 Beast#AW-Custom Z-Killer DE
~Competitors~
FWB300SU#Tau-7#IZH-46M#FWB-65#CP88-C
~Target~
HW 30s/35e/97k/40+Extender/P3+Scope/70#CZ200s Laminated@10fpe#AA ProSport-177@12fpe

I liked the overall feel of the grip on the TX200. And it did feel very balanced.

I have a couple of HW break barrel rifles, that have the factory trigger blade so I know what you mean by it being further forward than on the TX. Never really considered getting a setback trigger blade but maybe if I get an HW97 that would be something to add.

I know the TX feels like a tuned and much more finished rifle in some ways than the hw97. But I do like adding bits to my rifles, I already have ideas of things to add to either one I decide to get. Perhaps I'm just a sucker for aftermarket parts.

97k extreamly good out of the box and even better with a tune kit...

i can hit golf balls 100 yards no problem...

im pretty sure i have seen a 97k in .25 or somthing like that which is probably what i would of got....they have one in .177 20 and 22 for sure...the one in .22 rips

I have been going back and forth between getting.177 or .22

Do you mean the HW97 is powerful in .22?

We know pellets have best accuracy around 900fps... And all those rifles mentioned above have the ability to push a 177cal pellet over that speed...

Accuracy wise we don't do that...

And 22cal is still on a pellet... (springers are not slug friendly) But not all springers can push a 22cal pellet to that "limit" except a few magnum springers like HW80, Diana48/52/56 etc... But pushing a 22cal to 800fps or above is not that hard...

A 15.89g 22cal at 800fps is 22fpe (usually 22cal is 14g)

A 10g 177cal at 900fps is just 18fpe (usually 177cal is 8g)

I have both caliber guns in my home and couldn't say I prefer which more...

According the inventory/stock/availability issues... I could say get either caliber when you find one available...

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~Plinkers~
FX-M3-22 Compact#PP700-Carbine#Diana48-177#XS28M-25@26fpe#HW45 Beast#AW-Custom Z-Killer DE
~Competitors~
FWB300SU#Tau-7#IZH-46M#FWB-65#CP88-C
~Target~
HW 30s/35e/97k/40+Extender/P3+Scope/70#CZ200s Laminated@10fpe#AA ProSport-177@12fpe