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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:20 pm 
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If you are in a wet area, Ballistol will not prevent rust. It is a water soluble oil. That means it will not keep moisture off your steel parts.
Found this out via. my brother and a friend, both of whom rusted up multi-thousand dollar muzzleloading rifles after oiling them with Ballistol.
It's your rifle, do as you see fit. For me, Ballistol only has a use for mixing with water as a water-soluble patch lube.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:23 pm 
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Daryl wrote:
If you are in a wet area, Ballistol will not prevent rust. It is a water soluble oil. That means it will not keep moisture off your steel parts.
Found this out via. my brother and a friend, both of whom rusted up multi-thousand dollar muzzleloading rifles after oiling them with Ballistol.
It's your rifle, do as you see fit. For me, Ballistol only has a use for mixing with water as a water-soluble patch lube.


Well, I certainly have not had any rusting issues so far but the local humidity levels are low. I will continue to use Ballistol until there are obvious signs of problems which can be attributed directly to its use.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:06 am 
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I'm using G96 Crud Buster for all metal parts for cleaning--this is the suggestion from a firearm store sales manager as he told me he tried many different type and found out that one is the best--especially for actions, you just need to spray to the gap and the oil will flush into inside--no need to took anything apart, then just let the gravity drain it. Then G96 gun oil lightly applied.

And for stock I am still using Ballistol--I found it will last longer than any other oils on the stock, although it is bit smelly

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:19 pm 
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Ace wrote:
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It diesels sometimes for 10 shots or so - I don't think that's normal.

yes that's normal its because you have a bit of oil or grease in the piston
chamber/tube next time you have it apart a good cleaning of the tube will help


Thank you, I've seen some liberal applications of the Crosman break-barrel oil over the piston, and the advice was to keep the gas ram itself dry & clean (within reason). I lubed the piston pretty heavily as you can see in the image.

I mentioned I have WD40 White Lithium Grease - since it's safe on my electric scooter's hubs, joints & suspension, I assume it's ok in my barrel - but I'm going to make sure I only put what's required in there. I use the Crosman break-barrel oil for the parts I'm handling upon every disassembly but the barrel's been untouched so far. I assumed enough oil gets sent through the barrel from the piston anyway, that it's fine for a long time. I have to blow out smoke to see through the barrel every 3 shots or so, it seems. Once I get my F11 to perform properly, I'll focus on maintenance.

Not sure if you're aware of the OEM gas ram for the Crosman F11, but it (BT5M22) has a very skinny metal ring around the gas ram body. I pulled it off & put it on my new BT9M22 spring. Would you happen to know if it's helpful at all? It made no difference in my FPS testing with shims/gas ram swaps.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:26 pm 
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Atlas_cn wrote:
I'm using G96 Crud Buster for all metal parts for cleaning--this is the suggestion from a firearm store sales manager as he told me he tried many different type and found out that one is the best--especially for actions, you just need to spray to the gap and the oil will flush into inside--no need to took anything apart, then just let the gravity drain it. Then G96 gun oil lightly applied.

And for stock I am still using Ballistol--I found it will last longer than any other oils on the stock, although it is bit smelly


Interesting. I'll do a little research on what's best for barrels & a firearm store sales manager sounds like a good source of info. I'm not sure what Crosman use for the barrels of their 495 FPS limited rifles, but if there's something specific I should change in the off chance my rifle enters another echelon of FPS, I'll see what I need to get to protect the barrel.
I thought that whatever I put on the piston itself, will eventually find its way through the transfer port, to the breech - meaning the Crosman break-barrel oil will gush forward enough that the barrel is lubed with it.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:36 pm 
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Atlas I believe that is a centering ring. It is used to keep the ram cylinder of the piston wall.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:31 pm 
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A friction reducing "bushing" to prevent the body of the cylinder from rubbing the sides of the tube?

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