Canadian Airgun Forum :: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?

ITGUY wrote:

To the OP...

Buy 3 firearms and then stick with air guns.

You never know how the landscape may change in the future, depending on who is elected, changing public perception, and so on. So perhaps buy them while you still can. Hunting is another potential future activity. You may have no interest now, but nobody can predict the future.

So...everybody needs a good .22, a 30-06, and a 3" 12 Gauge.

Get a nice bolt action .22.
.22 is a filthy cartridge. If you keep a light coat of oil on your guns, in the action, it will quickly turn to sludge after a few hundred rounds of .22 and this is ESPECIALLY true of an auto-loader. Bolt actions are inherently accurate and very simple to clean. In other words, you wont avoid cleaning it because it is a PITA.

Ditto for 30-06
That caliber has enough different factory bullet weights for any game in Canada. Of course it would not be my first choice for some, BUT it will work just fine. Ammo is plentiful and if you're going to have only one center-fire, that would be it. Can also use for 300yd plus plinking which is awesome fun

12 Gauge
Everyone needs at least one

Very versatile gun. Trap, hunting, duck, upland bird, and so on. Deer with a slug barrel. Also fun just to go out and play with. Anything from cheap Winchester Defender, to 870 Remington pump, 1100 auto loader, etc etc.

300 guns I only ever owned 3 12 gauges ( My best one was a Rem 1100 ) Never owned a 3006, 308 is what I use.

All I shoot is 22LR now. My 22/45 has about 1500rds thru it w/o cleaning it. My Single Six gets cleaned more than my 2245 only because I get a sticky cylinder. My cooey never gets cleaned. 10/22 barely clean it. I only clean my 22LR when it starts having issues.

Author:	ITGUY [ Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?
leadslinger wrote: ITGUY wrote: To the OP... Buy 3 firearms and then stick with air guns. You never know how the landscape may change in the future, depending on who is elected, changing public perception, and so on. So perhaps buy them while you still can. Hunting is another potential future activity. You may have no interest now, but nobody can predict the future. So...everybody needs a good .22, a 30-06, and a 3" 12 Gauge. Get a nice bolt action .22. .22 is a filthy cartridge. If you keep a light coat of oil on your guns, in the action, it will quickly turn to sludge after a few hundred rounds of .22 and this is ESPECIALLY true of an auto-loader. Bolt actions are inherently accurate and very simple to clean. In other words, you wont avoid cleaning it because it is a PITA. Ditto for 30-06 That caliber has enough different factory bullet weights for any game in Canada. Of course it would not be my first choice for some, BUT it will work just fine. Ammo is plentiful and if you're going to have only one center-fire, that would be it. Can also use for 300yd plus plinking which is awesome fun 12 Gauge Everyone needs at least one Very versatile gun. Trap, hunting, duck, upland bird, and so on. Deer with a slug barrel. Also fun just to go out and play with. Anything from cheap Winchester Defender, to 870 Remington pump, 1100 auto loader, etc etc. 300 guns I only ever owned 3 12 gauges ( My best one was a Rem 1100 ) Never owned a 3006, 308 is what I use. All I shoot is 22LR now. My 22/45 has about 1500rds thru it w/o cleaning it. My Single Six gets cleaned more than my 2245 only because I get a sticky cylinder. My cooey never gets cleaned. 10/22 barely clean it. I only clean my 22LR when it starts having issues. Different strokes for different folks Mr. Slinger.

Author:	jckstrthmghty [ Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:51 am ]
Post subject:	Re: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?
At this point the only question is how far do you need your projectile to be accurate. Really just get both if you have a place to shoot a powder burner.

Author:	Joolz [ Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:38 am ]
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Stihltech wrote: Thanks for this tip ... I never thought of checking this. Where exactly does it show that I am just north of you? Thought I recall you having Airdrie listed for your location a while back prior to it being removed. Perhaps it was someone else, can't keep track of all the comings and goings. If not you, my mistake. As for shooting gophers I concur, it's a win win and also concur with someone else's comment that it's a way to make a new acquaintance. But when you start your response with "what planet are you from" well, it just made me think that there were obvious alternatives to a paying shooting range that didn't require driving driving country roads knocking on doors till you found a place that was receptive to the idea - not that this merits such an over the top response.

Author:	Joolz [ Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?
leadslinger wrote: All I shoot is 22LR now. My 22/45 has about 1500rds thru it w/o cleaning it. My Single Six gets cleaned more than my 2245 only because I get a sticky cylinder. My cooey never gets cleaned. 10/22 barely clean it. I only clean my 22LR when it starts having issues. This is news to me, wasn't aware that these didn't require constant cleaning (referring to bolt action, not semis). If one can get away without the cleaning ritual that's good to hear. You don't find that accuracy gets affected?

Author:	leadslinger [ Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?
Joolz wrote: leadslinger wrote: All I shoot is 22LR now. My 22/45 has about 1500rds thru it w/o cleaning it. My Single Six gets cleaned more than my 2245 only because I get a sticky cylinder. My cooey never gets cleaned. 10/22 barely clean it. I only clean my 22LR when it starts having issues. This is news to me, wasn't aware that these didn't require constant cleaning (referring to bolt action, not semis). If one can get away without the cleaning ritual that's good to hear. You don't find that accuracy gets affected? I know 20M shooters with 4000$ Anschutz Rifles, that don't clean them till accuracy decreases. Most mine gets is a wipe down. Like airguns it takes a bit of pellets through to condition the barrel. I don't see a issue with accuracy. I'm still able to shoot less than 3" groups at 110 Y with open sights. Only guns I shoot corrosive ammo gets cleaned right after.

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Author:	Daryl [ Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?
I clean the 10-22 that I use for gophers every time it is out in the rain- which happens maybe once in 4 or 5 years. I also clean the action area if/when the action gets gummy or starts jamming cases - as in stove-pipes, or failing to extract. This involves cleaning the action interior - up inside the magazine mortise by spraying it with carburetor cleaner or gum-out, then wiping out tthen maybe a WD40 spray then blow out with compressed air. The bore only gets cleaned if it gets wet with water/moisture - never otherwise. My rifle has no front sight as it wears a Butler Creek blued steel fluted .920" heavy barrel. Thus, I turned a Delrin or Nylon rod guide that fits over the muzzle tightly and engages the barrel for almost over 2" (just checked it). The guide has a central hole that fits the .22 rod and jag with patch, perfectly and aligns the rod with the exact centre of the bore so it cannot damage the muzzle's crown. Since I have not shot the rifle in the rain for a long time, it has been many years since I had to use the muzzle protector and no, it is not for sale. I may get caught in the rain next gopher trip and may need to clean the bore - or not - but, I will have the muzzle protector with me, just in case. The bore will not be cleaned unless I have the muzzle protector mounted on the barrel. Harry Pope (world renowned highly accurate .22 RF barrel maker - late 1800's, early 1900's) used to say that now and then a .22 will pick up a bit of lead inside the bore & you will lose a bit of accuracy - keep shooting it and it will shoot that lead spec out & pin-point accuracy will return. Never clean your .22 barrel's bore. Wipe it down on the outside and lubricate the action, but never put a rod down the bore. In Harry Pope's day, all .22 RF ammo was what we would call greased or wax coated. They did not have copper washed or plated bullets. The grease or wax deposited inside the bore was all that was necessary to preserve the bore. Thus- a .22 bore NEVER needed cleaning - when using greased or waxed bullets. The cpper wash does not provide a protectorate to the bore, thus since I shoot mostly copper washed or plated bullets, I clean my bore if it gets wet - never otherwise. My accuracy, year to year remains constant - without cleaning - many thousands of rounds in some years. Just like our air rifles, .22 rifles use softer steels than CF rifles use. This is due to the much lower pressures - 24,000psi instead of up to 65,000psi. Softer steels or steels of less tensile strength, are less expensive as well as being easier & quicker to machine, thus they are used for air rifles and rim fires. The softer or less strong materials are also much more easily damaged by cleaning rods or ropes, bore snakes, etc than are CF rifle barrels, yet those are also damaged by those same tools. A bench rest shooter will NEVER use a string or bore snake to clean his barrel - he or shoe will only EVER use a one piece rod. THEY argue amongst themselves over coated, un-coated as well as the newer carbon rods as to which is best.

Author:	Daryl [ Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?
I should also note here that the average humidity where I live and shoot is 50%. If I lived in a high humidity area like South Western Ontario, which can have 100% humidity on a sunny cloudless day, I would clean my .22's bore more often-maybe even every time I shot it in the summer time - or winter for that matter.

Author:	sillymike [ Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?
I used to be one of the guys shooting Anschutz @ 50M - Most of the guy I know clean their barrels somewhat regularly. I'd run an oily patch followed by a few dry patch... - Bullseye rimfire pistol: My routine was to wipe/scrub the bolt face and breach at just about every match. Make sure the extractor and extractor groove was clean. Depending on the ammo used, the chamber would need a scrubbing every few hundreds rds. - Free pistol: Nylon brush, oily + dry patch after every match

Author:	randyhub [ Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: PAL coming, stick with airgun, or get a powder burner?
Well I have both air and powder. I look at guns as tools, don't care much about my guns being pretty as I just want it to shoot in sun, rain, or snow and not get worried about a Safe Queen. Frankly spending 1000.00s on a air gun with a one year warranty just mystifies me, but hey whatever a guy wants I guess. airguns cost way too much and offer so much less than what a powderburner offers for so much less.... I have my .22/.25 Condor as it reaches out to 150 yards and carries a lifetime warranty. I cannot count how many times it has been bumped, dropped, shot while raining/snowing it just does what it is supposed to do. 700.00 to 1500.00 Now no way I would not have a powderburner, as they are so much cheaper to buy and simplier overall. I have my Ruger 10/22 and RIA for gophers. 250.00 to 350.00 I have pump shotgun for hiking. 300.00 My Savage .223 for reaching out to 600 yards. 500.00 to 800.00 So I am where I want to be with what I have, but hey if you have the money then dropping 2000.00 or more for a airgun is no biggie, just makes no sense to me. Have fun, buy what you can as any trigger time is good time.

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