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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:34 pm 
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I'm I nuts for wanting a nice trim metal front sight? While these fiber optic sights are flashy but they are fat and imprecise. They might be good for shooting at a charging bear, or something like that, but for target work they leave a lot to be desired, at least for me. I've just fitted a Williams rear peep sight to my WF600 and I really like it (though it seems expensive for what it is, cost more than the rifle). I've removed the stock rear sight but the front sight could be better for this use, the saving grace (somewhat) is that the sight has ears that protect the center blade/optic thing and this aids my eye with centering things up. Incase anyone wants to fit one of these peeps it did require the trimming of a little bit of wood to allow it to fit.

This is the sight (bought it from D&L).
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I might try to trim down the front sight and replace the center with a pin of some sort if I decide there is enough mass to work with.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:42 pm 
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those are Williams Peep Sight, not fiber optic's

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:46 pm 
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I know, that is what I fitted to the rear. I still have the fat fiber optic at the muzzle end.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:49 pm 
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ok I see what your saying, so you didn't get the proper front sight to match the Williams peep then

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:08 pm 
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I can't find anything that will replace the front sight. My old Slavia 630 is dovetailed at the muzzle so it could be done with that but it already has a decent metal front sight with hood and a good metal rear sight to. My Crosman Vantage and Walther Falcon have the some issue with the fat plastic sight but in the case of the Vantage I'm using a scope so it doesn't matter. I might do the same with the Falcon though I suspect it might beat the crap out of a scope. The problem (as I see it) with the fiber optic sights is that the colored plastic bit is all ready thick enough but then there is the supporting plastic around it which makes the whole front sight very thick. You can't really file them down because you are just removing the supporting material for the center colored optic bit.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:37 pm 
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This is the offender...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:29 am 
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That fat front sight might work on a shotgun, sans the wings. I would cut that top off the front sight and find something better to glue on. Maybe you have a gunshop or a friend who might have an post from an old Cooeye rimfire or something similar. In worse case, you could drill a small hole and insert a piece of a nail. When looking through the aperture the post will look fine. You could even chop a nickel with a Dremel tool to make a front sight to glue on. A piece of 1/8" thick brass or some sort of scrap metal could be shaped into a sight blade. Work on a high power rifle casing to make a front blade.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:32 am 
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TCooper wrote:
That fat front sight might work on a shotgun, sans the wings. I would cut that top off the front sight and find something better to glue on. Maybe you have a gunshop or a friend who might have an post from an old Cooeye rimfire or something similar. In worse case, you could drill a small hole and insert a piece of a nail. When looking through the aperture the post will look fine. You could even chop a nickel with a Dremel tool to make a front sight to glue on. A piece of 1/8" thick brass or some sort of scrap metal could be shaped into a sight blade. Work on a high power rifle casing to make a front blade.


That is along the lines I was thinking.

These are the sort of things I'd really like... I wonder if I can find a cheap globe front sight to attach photo shopped?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:38 am 
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Headdamage wrote:
TCooper wrote:
That fat front sight might work on a shotgun, sans the wings. I would cut that top off the front sight and find something better to glue on. Maybe you have a gunshop or a friend who might have an post from an old Cooeye rimfire or something similar. In worse case, you could drill a small hole and insert a piece of a nail. When looking through the aperture the post will look fine. You could even chop a nickel with a Dremel tool to make a front sight to glue on. A piece of 1/8" thick brass or some sort of scrap metal could be shaped into a sight blade. Work on a high power rifle casing to make a front blade.


That is along the lines I was thinking.

These are the sort of things I'd really like... I wonder if I can find a cheap globe front sight to attach photo shopped?


D & L does sell front globe sights

https://dlairgun.com/collections/daisy-sights/products/953-front-sight

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:54 am 
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Cut the fiber supports , but leave the sight protector ears. Drill and tap for a 4-40 or smaller grub screw.

Then you can chuck in a drill and file the bottom thinner. And then thread it in. Might have to cut down a hex key to get from under. Basically a mini AR front post.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:36 am 
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Lots of great ideas here.

> That Daisy globe at D&L is only $20. It could be glued right on the ramp after removing the fibre sight and the most of the ears. This would look clean. It comes with one insert but you could make or buy more. I like this idea!

> Leadslinger has a good idea with a different style. AR style that leaves the sight post protected. Almost no expense.

> If you want to minimize the expense you could find a piece of scrap 3/4" tubing (metal or plastic). Shorten the current sight ears so they are about 1/4" high and remove the fibre blade completely. Drill & tap for the screw post. Then cut a short piece of the tubing, drill a hole for the sight post and glue it on top like a globe. The remaining stubs of the ears will align the globe. You lose the protective ears but gain a globe. It depends which you prefer. You only get a post in the globe with this design.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:23 am 
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I think I have a spare AR-15 front post here somewhere. If i. Do and if I also have an 8/32 tap I might try that option first.

On the general topic of sights the old Chinese Pioneer I fixed for a friend had nice basic steel sights. Do they put these plastic optic sights on because they think we want them or because they are cheaper to make? I suspect cheaper and they suckered us into thinking they where an upgrade.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:27 am 
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Headdamage wrote:
I think I have a spare AR-15 front post here somewhere. If i. Do and if I also have an 8/32 tap I might try that option first.

On the general topic of sights the old Chinese Pioneer I fixed for a friend had nice basic steel sights. Do they put these plastic optic sights on because they think we want them or because they are cheaper to make? I suspect cheaper and they suckered us into thinking they where an upgrade.


Yeah that. I do wish they would just dovetail grove the end like they used too.

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Headdamage wrote:
I think I have a spare AR-15 front post here somewhere. If i. Do and if I also have an 8/32 tap I might try that option first.

On the general topic of sights the old Chinese Pioneer I fixed for a friend had nice basic steel sights. Do they put these plastic optic sights on because they think we want them or because they are cheaper to make? I suspect cheaper and they suckered us into thinking they where an upgrade.


Plastic is cheap to mold up and you can sell spares when they break. For some reason the fibre optic sights catch the eye of newbees. Bling! I can't stand the fat sights and think they belong on shotguns and maybe fast acquisition handguns for close shooting.


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Headdamage wrote:
I think I have a spare AR-15 front post here somewhere. If i. Do and if I also have an 8/32 tap I might try that option first.

On the general topic of sights the old Chinese Pioneer I fixed for a friend had nice basic steel sights. Do they put these plastic optic sights on because they think we want them or because they are cheaper to make? I suspect cheaper and they suckered us into thinking they where an upgrade.


That is how my front sight is on my Target Browning Buckmark. Just a miniature version of the AR15 sight.

AR15 front posts are 8-36 FYI. I only said 4-40 because it is small enough that it could be used as a front post.

But I hate Fiber sights on airguns, they always make them too fat.


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