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Author:  yeroc1982 [ Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:46 am ]
Post subject:  Crosman M4-177 mods

I have a Canadian version at 495fps and wondering if anyone has done mods to increase the fps. I have my PAL so it's legal for me. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

Author:  M4177 [ Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

for whats its worth...
considering the cost to get any parts... (if any are available)
and an $89.00 rifle...

wouldnt it be easier aswel as cheaper to just buy a 625fps m4177 from pyramid?

Author:  paddyfritz [ Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

Its a Crosman 760 in a new shell.
You can get mod parts at scopes and ammo.

Author:  Edmonton<500 [ Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

M4177 wrote:
for whats its worth...
considering the cost to get any parts... (if any are available)
and an $89.00 rifle...

wouldnt it be easier aswel as cheaper to just buy a 625fps m4177 from pyramid?


Pyramid won't sell you one. :cry:

$0,00

Author:  ktmrider [ Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

HPA kit for it would be nice :shock: :supz: :prayer:

Author:  blade57 [ Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

ktmrider wrote:
HPA kit for it would be nice :shock: :supz: :prayer:


Crosman make a PCP conversion kit for the M4-177 although, If memory serves it is pretty pricey :(

DaveD :D

Author:  M4177 [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

why wouldnt Pyramid sell you a PAL rated gun if you had a valid PAL?
or is this a USA/Canada policy?

Author:  ktmrider [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

blade57 wrote:
ktmrider wrote:
HPA kit for it would be nice :shock: :supz: :prayer:


Crosman make a PCP conversion kit for the M4-177 although, If memory serves it is pretty pricey :(

DaveD :D



over 600$ for convertion kit :rolleyes:

Author:  Edmonton<500 [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

M4177 wrote:
why wouldnt Pyramid sell you a PAL rated gun if you had a valid PAL?
or is this a USA/Canada policy?


Recently US air gun suppliers such as Pyramid (arguably the biggest in the US) have been granted the privilege of submitting their products' specifications to Canadian Customs for pre-approval. If their specs match those of CC, and they meet the standards of being non-firearms according to the Firearms Act (primarily less than 500 fps), then they can ship freely to Canada, knowing that the approved guns will reach their customers (perhaps with additional charges such as custom fees, HST, GST, provincial taxes, etc.). American dealers said. "thumbs up," and continue to seek pre-approval as new products come in and older, not-so-popular products are added to the list. In a matter of a few months, Pyramid moved from dozens of approved products to hundreds of them. You can identify these products now by the "Ships to Canada" banner at the top of the description page.

Now that many sites have these assurances from CC, that's what they sell (confidently) to Canadians. Anything rated over 500 fps, including rifles, are not available to us. Pistols over 500fps (restricted weapons in Canada) are automatically off the list, as are rifles (non-restricted devices) over 500 fps, that could be shipped, but require extensive paperwork and intervention by CC to ensure that the gun reaches a properly licensed Canadian. Neither want to go through that hassle, so some sort of peace between the lands has been established" We won't slow down or stop their approved shipments, and they will not hassle CC with exceptions.

This is why you see several US sites now offering shipments to Canada. But they all must go through their own pre-approval process. Air guns approved for Pyramid, are NOT automatically approved for Airgun Depot, for example. Pyramid was on top of it from the get-go. I believe I reported this on other threads on this site as I followed them through the process several months ago.

Author:  rrdstarr [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

Nice to know Murray!

THANKS!

Author:  paddyfritz [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

blade57 wrote:
ktmrider wrote:
HPA kit for it would be nice :shock: :supz: :prayer:


Crosman make a PCP conversion kit for the M4-177 although, If memory serves it is pretty pricey :(

DaveD :D


The conversion kit is for an AR15, not the 760 bb gun in an AR shell.
Its a PCP upper that mounts to an AR lower. Its a restricted weapon in Canada.

Author:  dhb [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

Go over 500fps and the RCMP considers it a variant of the M16 and a restricted firearm. I previously post the FRT info on this gun.

Author:  paddyfritz [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

dhb wrote:
Go over 500fps and the RCMP considers it a variant of the M16 and a restricted firearm. I previously post the FRT info on this gun.


There is absolutely no way to justify calling the crosman M4-177 a variant of the M16.
If they are really claiming that, they would loose in court. It shares NO parts. The M4-177 shares parts with the 760.

If it was a M16 variant, it would be restricted even if it did not exceed 500 fps, as the receiver of a restricted weapon, is always a restricted part.

Author:  dhb [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

I'm just saying how they have classified it - not that the classification makes sense.

Author:  paddyfritz [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crosman M4-177 mods

Are you sure you are not thinking of the MAR177 PCP Conversion Kit that mounts to a restricted AR lower ?
If the PAL version of the M4-177 is restricted, based on it being a AR variant, the non-pal version would be restricted as well as it has the same "receiver".

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