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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:39 am 
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This article just boggles my mind:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/mosque-shooter-s-parents-complain-about-severity-of-his-sentence-1.4293201?fbclid=IwAR2xEXGwzVBsQ5EntWanIxk5K6MxpQKL_MsNIj1Y1XNcJCjwhaT2MEpziX0

I do think the sentence is questionable, but I think it's questionable because it is not harsh enough. I mean he took 6 innocent people's lives, injured some more, and he only goes to prison for 40 years?

I can't believe that there are people defending him (aside from lawyers and such being paid to do so), he killed 6 people and I honestly don't give a damn what background or faith they were of, muslim, christian, jewish, agnostic, atheist, hindu, sikh, satanist, wiccan, etc, doesn't matter to me.

His family claims that he endured physical and psychological bullying, well I don't have a reason to doubt that, unfortunately bullying is a very common thing, but lots of people get bullied and they don't commit mass murder, especially planned and premeditated. So, as far as I am concerned at least, that's not an excuse.

I am however glad to hear that the crown asked for six consecutive life sentences, unfortunately, they didn't get it, but I hear they are considering an appeal, hopefully if they do, they will succeed.

Rehabilitation was also mentioned, and as far as that goes, you can rehabilitate people who maybe rob a convenience store, hijack a car, and things like that, but premeditated mass murder is on a whole different level and is one of those things which no leniency should be given to at all.

Luckily from comments on facebook and everywhere, pretty much everyone is angry that the sentence wasn't harsher.

I'm still pissed at the current sentence though, as it shows that even premeditated mass murder is not punished appropriately in our country. I wonder if the sentence would be harsher if the conservatives were in power instead of the liberals, but I really don't know how much the federal government can influence law, courts, trials, etc.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:57 am 
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For the parents, your son killed 6 people. Mass murder. How is he going to pay restitution to those 6 families? He can't can he. What are you going to do? Nothing really are you? Severe sentence? No.

This is Canada. Life imprisonment in the cruddiest jail is the harshest penalty. Too bad we all pay for that. I'm sure many Canadians wish we had alternate options.

Bullied? Life really isn't fair is it. No justification for the actions taken.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:02 pm 
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Are you surprised? Because I'm not.

Some kid locally. Got sent to prison for making meth, and his drug addiction. And his father saying poor him, he not getting what he deserves. That he should have plead not guilty. If he knew this would be the case.

It's the "he didn't do nothing" parents. Accept your actions for your kids.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pm 
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Well I don't think that people should go to jail for simply having an addiction (those people need help with recovery), but, if someone is making and/or dealing drugs (like meth in this case), then yeah, prison it is.

I don't get how a parent could say "he didn't do nothing" when he was clearly producing an illegal substance that clearly harms people, and could even result in their death.


Things like the situation mentioned in my OP are why I don't call our system a "justice system", but rather a "legal system", because it seems that justice doesn't matter, only legality and legalisms, etc.

Could there at times be justifications for breaking laws, even those which are commonly agreed to be needed and for the good and safety of everyone? In some circumstances there may be, but those are most often extreme circumstances, like if someone is threatening to kill you if you don't do it for example, etc. I don't know if there already is a way to deal with situations like that or not, if there isn't, there needs to be.

What I am saying is, as long as all you care about is what a piece of paper says, you will never truly have a real JUSTICE system.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:31 pm 
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When this first happened, there were lots of reports of what he liked on social media including christian crusader pages, Donald Trump, "alt-right stuff", etc.

From that it seems that he made the same mistake a lot of young (and even older) people make. That mistake is looking for meaning in life, outside of one's self, attaching yourself to a movement to give some meaning to your life, or a religion, or a number of many different things.

If one does that they will never truly be fulfilled and they will always just move on from one thing to the next.

if one truly wants to be happy with themselves and their lives, that's something they need to find within themselves, and they need to give meaning to their own lives.

But enough with the existentialism, lol.

In all honesty though, judging people and trying to figure out what someone was/is like and was/is thinking because of what they like and follow on social media is a fools errand. You don't know why they like and follow what they do, you don't know what they get from it, you don't know how it affects their thinking and their lives (if it does at all), etc, and conversely it's the same for things they dislike, so you are left with a lot of gaps to fill, and a lot of chances to be dead wrong. It also gives you lots of places to insert your own bias and agenda, and views on things. So take everything based on things like this with a large grain of salt.


I do however think that him targeting a mosque was not something random, but what the reason for it was, I don't know, only he does.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:51 pm 
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My buddy is a police officer. He even says the justice system is a Joke. And we both know it. It's a revolving door.

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Here's a good one for you, I charged this guy with B&E, been arrested a dozen times for thefts and possession of stolen property. I arrest and charge him for breach of his curfew. Curfew was from 1030 to 6am. Judge releases him on a new undertaking curfew 12-6am I have since charged him 3 more times with breaching these conditions and he had meth on him 3 times he was arrested. Went to court this week. Was in custody 3 days because we remanded him. Judge ruled time served for the drug charges.....


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:09 pm 
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leadslinger wrote:
My buddy is a police officer. He even says the justice system is a Joke. And we both know it. It's a revolving door.



It sure is, and instead of trying to fix it and make it more effective, the government just places more and more restrictions on those who by and large aren't committing crimes to begin with.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:46 pm 
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Twiggy wrote:
leadslinger wrote:
My buddy is a police officer. He even says the justice system is a Joke. And we both know it. It's a revolving door.



It sure is, and instead of trying to fix it and make it more effective, the government just places more and more restrictions on those who by and large aren't committing crimes to begin with.


You are catching on. That is the Socialist way.
He and all murderers should be put down - removed
from the gene pool.

If you even remotely THINK he will do 40 years before parole,
you are mistaken about the Canadian Justice System. There
is no justice in the Canadian Justice System.
If there was justice,
Miller and Cockeriell would have been shot by Roger Pierlet's
piers - aka firing squad instead of being "let out" in 10 years.
A firing squad would have been justice - & YES I would have
been on that SQUAD. I was to relieve Roger at 7AM, that
morning at the Patella Bridge. He was shot approx. 6AM. Roger
was my friend and family.
https://www.facebook.com/SurreyRCMP/pho ... 231005752/

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:57 pm 
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Liberalism at it's best. Everything about Liberalism is Evil.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:57 pm 
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What I find is also an injustice is how rapists, kidnappers, murderers, for example even after conviction, get a bed, a roof over their heads, a shower, three meals a day, sometimes even a TV etc, while many people with mental illnesses and other challenges struggle to get by because there is allegedly "no funding" to help many of them, at least adequately.

I think it's really unjust to give serious criminals a shelter, food, and a washroom while letting a portion of the unfortunate people I mentioned go without.

Need food and shelter? Just go murder a bunch of people ... :evil:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:07 pm 
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Twiggy wrote:
What I find is also an injustice is how rapists, kidnappers, murderers, for example even after conviction, get a bed, a roof over their heads, a shower, three meals a day, sometimes even a TV etc, while many people with mental illnesses and other challenges struggle to get by because there is allegedly "no funding" to help many of them, at least adequately.

I think it's really unjust to give serious criminals a shelter, food, and a washroom while letting a portion of the unfortunate people I mentioned go without.

Need food and shelter? Just go murder a bunch of people ... :evil:


Sure there is money for mental health. You just gotta kill a police officer. And Veterans affairs will pay for it.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:24 pm 
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One person( Bruce McArthur in Toronto) got 25 years for killing 8 gay men...
Go figure..

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:16 pm 
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One thing good about the States, is when they convict someone of 1st degree murder,
he gets more than a "Life" term on EACH count, served consecutively, which means he will
NEVER be released, except in a cardboard box.

In Canada, he gets terms served concurrently, ie: at the same time. When I wore the badge
"Life" was 8 yrs MINUS 33% for 'good time', with possible parole after 3 or 4, irc.


As far as outrageous jail times in Canada:

In 1977/8, according to Allen Rock's (Attorney Gen. Ca.) legislation proposal possession of a single
empty ctg. case held a maximum" penalty of 5 yrs. - per case. P.E's. son is hell bent on bringing in
C51 (I think) as it was called, back then. As well, the initial proposal had ALL firearms stored in a CENTRAL
location and firearms and ammunition could be signed out
, then signed back in and ALL empty cases
returned to be counted. Failure to return empties - guess what - firearms charge and lose all possession.
Don't lose any.

Does any of this sound familiar?

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