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Author:  Rutsup [ Tue May 10, 2016 6:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TeXaN

Note to FrozenVapours, when your going to buy big bore gun you will also need to buy a large air supply to go with it. just saying.

Author:  Daryl [ Tue May 10, 2016 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TeXaN

Certainly accurate enough, it seems. Nice group for 50 yards. I am still thinking very strongly on this rifle, instead of a .25. I think I need one NOW! The main reason is .457" swaged round balls - Hornady or speer, supposed to be most accurate??? - no sprue, higher speed, flatter trajectory out to 125 yards than conicals and more shots to a fill.

Also, the round balls are not screwed up (as much) by transonic speeds as-are waisted pellets or conicals. They are also not too bad, as I start 275gr. from my 4" M29 at 1,200fps and they are RINGERS on the plates at out to 300 meters - easy 5 out of 6 hits on a ram silhouette - FOUR INCH barrel. The round balls do not have that range, but I merely stated this to show the cast conical bullets handle the drop through the speed of sound very well indeed.

Author:  FrozenVapours [ Tue May 10, 2016 10:14 pm ]
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Rutsup wrote:
Note to FrozenVapours, when your going to buy big bore gun you will also need to buy a large air supply to go with it. just saying.



Yeah certainly. Would be using it for longer range target shooting.

Author:  Reaper [ Tue May 10, 2016 11:41 pm ]
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Yeah the 350 gr. HP was a good choice Daryl thanks!
It was more me getting use to the Texan.
It's an XL Length Bigbore barrel that pushes back so a longer
Bag rest will help the side to side scope float.
Follow through on the trigger has to be long enough
To keep the barrel straight until the projectile has exited the muzzle,
...Just alittle longer then normal.
Push this air gun into your shoulder so the neoprene tank sleeve
Doesn't sand blast your face all day.
Oh and enjoy your new airgun laugh. :twisted:

Groups went from side to side if I got lazy. 2"
4-5 shot 350 gr. best groups touching @ 50 yards.

Very impressed overall. If you want what I want. A 425-455 FPE
Monster then this seems to be the way to go.

Daryl, taking into account what you want. A fast flat shooter with a good
Shot count i'd suggest this projectile. Because it will shoot of the Texan at round ball velocity
Sized in .458.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/94739 ... round-nose

Then there's the bullet tuning..

Reaper

Author:  Daryl [ Wed May 11, 2016 12:03 pm ]
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The "Collar Button" bullet goes back to the late 1800's, as originally made by "Lyman Ideal". The bullet was originally designed for squib (parlor) loads for the .45/70 Trapdoor Springfield rifles. One of my friends back 3 decades ago, used them for grouse loads in his .45/70 Rolling block, with a light load of pistol powder.

Author:  Reaper [ Thu May 12, 2016 12:29 am ]
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Used the collar button? Gee your a hard guy to impress Daryl. :wink:
And thank you for the history of this Projectile.

Heavier then a roundball but traveling the same high subsonic speed..
And said to be more accurate. Be nice to get a few cast 457-130's
To test at 100 yards.


I cast a lee 230 bullet once or twice that fly flat and hit home with
A ShiBanGoPop!

All that's left now for the Texan is to continue trying to improve the balance,
handling & shooting ergonomics and off course add alittle personal touch.
All in good time, alittle at a time.

Reaper

Author:  Reaper [ Sat May 14, 2016 1:25 pm ]
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Ted from BlackWorks and I have been working to fit my Texan.
I can't say enough good things about him and his products.
Content to follow but here are some pictures of the Rifle.
Let this be the first Texan to recieve a BlackWorks
Trigger frame and Rear end. The Automatic safety was
also removed Lexan was plate fabricated to fit snug in its place.
This has become an very special AIr Rifle.

AR-15 Foregrip
BlackWorks Lower Grip frame (safety removed)
Ergo AR-15 soft rubber Grip.
BlackWorks rear with Monopod.
UTG bipod.
Anti-cant
Leapers SWAT IR Mildot 8-32x60 scope.

This thing is a Monster.

Next up: Buttplate is in the works.
I need to source a taller bipod and a new case.
A large shooting bag, scope level, then to sort out the front end.
all in good time I guess.

Reaper

http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/reape ... sort=3&o=0

Author:  Daryl [ Sun May 15, 2016 7:15 pm ]
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Nice group, Reaper - glad the mould is working for you. Since we made that "deal", I picked up a new Marlin .45/70. HA! It's OK - I will use an old RCBS 405gr. mould I found in my junk bin0. It is more appropriate for a higher speed .45. I expect they'll be happy around 1,800fps to 2,000fps.

Author:  Reaper [ Sun May 15, 2016 11:06 pm ]
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Thanks Daryl.. I have pics of worse groups with that bullet
But that was me the shooter getting use to the rifle.
Would that 500 gr. Spitzer I traded you work in that Marlin?
No doubt your powder gun is more powerful then the Texan.
Those are very high velocities. Very cool!

Author:  Daryl [ Mon May 16, 2016 11:22 am ]
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The 500gr. is perfect for my Sharps long range rifle. With smokeless, it'll 1,650fps with a 500gr. bullet & shoot 1 1/2" at 100 meters. I could go faster, but it's not necessary. Due to the 500gr. bullet's length (especially it's long nose and point) & the restricted overall loaded length of 2.55" for the Marlin, that bullet it is not suitable for the lever gun. Too, the pointed nose would set off the round loaded in the tube ahead of it, when the gun recoiled. A new Winchester, Browning, Uberti or Pedersoli Model 86 Winchester could chamber the longer bullet, however only if made to original specs inside the action - & could not safely have more than 1 in the magazine tube.

Author:  FrozenVapours [ Tue May 17, 2016 8:31 am ]
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what did i miss? haha 1650fps from the texan or the fancy long rifle you post? I thought biggest slug the texan shoots is around 350gr :P

Saving up for this in the coming months :) Was planning on using it for hunting with a couple buddies. Will keep an air cylinder in the truck but even setting power limiter to output 5 full shots is plenty. Quite excited :)

Author:  Daryl [ Tue May 17, 2016 11:00 am ]
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The 405 is the largest suggested for the Texan- however the flat based Lyman #457193 IIRC, supposed to be 405gr., casts 420 to 430 indead soft lead, as-does the RCBS gas check bullet of similar design.
Speer and Hornady both sell swaged .457" balls by the 100 box - $22.95 and $20.95 at WSports.

FrozenVapours - you read or understood incorrectly- it happens - the 1,650fps with a hard lead 506gr.,RN G/C Lyman mould is the speed from my Sharps 35" bl. with smokeless powder. Same rifle does 1,850gps with 405gr. RP jacketed bullets and sub 1" groups at 100 meters using the aperture sights, fore and aft. These are substancially faster than the Texan can produce.

Another bullet that might be quite terrific in that rifle, is the 220 RN .456" Lee mould. This bullet is very close to the original bullet loaded by the US government (in issue paper ctgs) for their cap and ball .44 revolvers - 1860 and the 1847Walker Colt. The "Walker", due to it's 50gr. powder capacity would get this bullet moving in the 1,100fps range, with the round balls running 1,200fps.

The nice thing about the large calibre normal bullets & round balls, is that they are not negatively effected as-are pellets with supersonic or transonic speeds. This is a big plus for air rifles such as the Texan, if going for top speeds.

A round ball at 1,000fps to 1,200fps makes a dandy deer killer out to about 50yards. The 220gr. RN will handily 'take' deer to 100yards. Though considerably lighter, the speed should be higher than the 360's etc, thus making these lighter projectiles quite effective.

The .44 calibre cap and ball revolvers (all) were also used for 'running' buffalo - that is, the soldier rode up beside a buffalo and shot down into his lungs. "A solider who had a .44 had 6 buffalo in each revolver".

Do not dismiss a round ball as an effective weapon.

Author:  FrozenVapours [ Tue May 17, 2016 2:20 pm ]
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thank you for clarifying that :)

Author:  Reaper [ Tue May 17, 2016 8:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TeXaN

Frozenvapours,

I'm glad to hear that you have formed a plan to attain this Air Rifle.
There is the cost of the rifle and then there's the cost of ammo and air.
consider the tank: the bigger the better(great white), 4.5K instead of 3k.
Ammo: round balls cheap and will do the job, like Daryl said.
Cost of air: big tank cheaper in the long run and longer shooting sessions!
:- compressor option, pump your own air. Pricey but cheaper in the long
Run, also convenient.
You should cast your own bullets.
220 gr. 350 gr. 380 gr. 405 gr.
Even 440 if you set your bullet sizer/power spring.
- casting has a startup cost but good return with cheap bullets.
Trap and re-cast your bullets.
This will help insure a cheap shooting cycle for this rifle because it
Is a fair initial investment for sure.

But totally worth it!
If and when you get your Texan you'll have a lot of fun.
Just make sure your not filling it with a
90 ci 4500 psi tank or nothing unless your happy
With shooting 10-12 bullets or 25-30 roundball.

She's got a nice valve and a long target barrel.
Eats a lot of air but is very efficient, just needs a lot
of air to move your cast pill down the Bigbore barrel.
That can be tuned or some extra shots to.

Then there's the tank drop down and the 850cc bottle...

Reaper


http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/reape ... ent&page=1

Author:  FrozenVapours [ Wed May 18, 2016 6:46 am ]
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Reaper wrote:
Frozenvapours,

I'm glad to hear that you have formed a plan to attain this Air Rifle.
There is the cost of the rifle and then there's the cost of ammo and air.
consider the tank: the bigger the better(great white), 4.5K instead of 3k.
Ammo: round balls cheap and will do the job, like Daryl said.
Cost of air: big tank cheaper in the long run and longer shooting sessions!
:- compressor option, pump your own air. Pricey but cheaper in the long
Run, also convenient.
You should cast your own bullets.
220 gr. 350 gr. 380 gr. 405 gr.
Even 440 if you set your bullet sizer/power spring.
- casting has a startup cost but good return with cheap bullets.
Trap and re-cast your bullets.
This will help insure a cheap shooting cycle for this rifle because it
Is a fair initial investment for sure.

But totally worth it!
If and when you get your Texan you'll have a lot of fun.
Just make sure your not filling it with a
90 ci 4500 psi tank or nothing unless your happy
With shooting 10-12 bullets or 25-30 roundball.

She's got a nice valve and a long target barrel.
Eats a lot of air but is very efficient, just needs a lot
of air to move your cast pill down the Bigbore barrel.
That can be tuned or some extra shots to.

Then there's the tank drop down and the 850cc bottle...

Reaper


http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/reape ... ent&page=1


i can agree with almost everything. I'm not sure i am comfortable with casting my own rounds considering they are only $25 for 50. I think thats something i can live with. Buy 5 or 5 cases and i'm good for quite a while :)

I'm used to buying 338 lm ($6/rd) rounds and 408 ctt ($14/rd) rounds haha. So 50c a round is wonderful :)

Also is it still possible to do like small PCP rifles and shoot using a hand pump? i could sling the pump in my back and fill as required even if it was every shot for full power :)

Not going to lie though.. Those 400+gr pointed slugs look amazing!!!!! :D

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