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 Post subject: More shoot pics
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:21 pm 
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OK guys,

we had a shoot at my club today, wind, snow and sun... all at the same time :shock: and I shot soooooo bad, on the good side, I did get an 18yd 8mm and a couple of the 55yd 45mm, just really need to get some practice, anyway, more pics up on my new site, it's the bottom one in my sig, have a look if you want.

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Very cool pictures, thanks for the links. I see the EV2 looks to be one of the more popular rifles in that mix.

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Keyrigger wrote:
I see the EV2 looks to be one of the more popular rifles in that mix.


It was today :D

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Love the pics, envious of the fun you're having.....LOL
Thanks for sharing .... 8) 8) 8)

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Photoguy2910 wrote:
OK guys,

we had a shoot at my club today, wind, snow and sun... all at the same time :shock: and I shot soooooo bad, on the good side, I did get an 18yd 8mm and a couple of the 55yd 45mm, just really need to get some practice, anyway, more pics up on my new site, it's the bottom one in my sig, have a look if you want.


Thanks for the picture and update.

Here at the matches we rate the course difficulty by a term called "Troyer level".

The formula is:
- distance divided by size of hit zone (in inches)

Your sizes would equal:
- 8mm at 18 yards = 56 Troyer (Expert by Troyer rating but seen at most of our matches)
- 45mm at 55 yards = 30.6 (at the line between top of moderate to beginning of hard. Below most of our match difficulty averages).

A Note:
- certain conditions will change the difficulty rating, such as:
- Standing x 2
- Kneeling x 1.5
- Windy x 1.25
- Extreme up or down x 1.25
- Extreme light or dark x 1.125

As it was a windy day, that would affect the 55 yards shot, so it would actually rate at 38.25 Troyer (if it was not affected by one of the other listed conditions).

Great shooting is the point!! Both quite hard shots.

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Not a problem on the sharing, but fun... :? I found it hard to get into double figures today... could have done with some power today, at one point I had a shot that was 45yds, the hold for windage was 4 mildots and I still missed the target :shock:

Car said it was +1c but wind took it to about -5

...but yeh, it was fun, beats sitting in the house...

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I've not heard of the "Troyer level", looks interesting, I will see if it is used here.

I'm just getting used to the strange sized kills, it was all 45mm when I took my break, really do need more practice.

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Keyrigger wrote:
Very cool pictures, thanks for the links. I see the EV2 looks to be one of the more popular rifles in that mix.


Lot of Air Arms generally it seems.
- EV2 Mk2's
- Pro Targets
- S400 MPR-FT
- S200

Those folks know good guns!

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A lot of Air Arms, but no one got me with my AA Shamal

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Photoguy2910 wrote:
I've not heard of the "Troyer level", looks interesting, I will see if it is used here.

I'm just getting used to the strange sized kills, it was all 45mm when I took my break, really do need more practice.


Regarding the small kills - maybe for once a little US Field Target thought has gone oversees.

Have you ever come across a chap that goes by the name "Jimmer" (Stamp) over there? He is a Scottish FT shooter from Honiton.

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A lot of Air Arms, but no one got me with my AA Shamal


You don't see too many of those!

I assume the Pro Target still has a super reputation over there?

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Have you ever come across a chap that goes by the name "Jimmer" (Stamp) over there? He is a Scottish FT shooter from Honiton.


The name doesn't ring a bell, will ask about though

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A lot of Air Arms, but no one got me with my AA Shamal


You don't see too many of those!

I assume the Pro Target still has a super reputation over there?


I'm the only one in Scotland shooting a Shamal, still love it, looks old but it so new inside, Dave Welham of Airmasters built me a new reg and gave it a tune.

The Pro Target is a great gun and yes still got a super rep here.

What are the popular guns for FT over there?

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What I am hearing is that there are far fewer 45mm KZ's being found on courses of fire in the UK and Europe. Although I think that there might have been a full stat page up after the Worlds in 2006, I remember reading that there was not one KZ larger than 40mm on the course. We seldom have a 45mm KZ to shoot at, unless someone sets up a Gamo target (if they are that large, in fact), so that is not so bad here. Do take into account that we have the higher energy level here, and wind is not as hard on the 15 to 20 fpe rifles as those under 12 fpe. If the truth be told, we seldom have targets larger than 38mm. I just wish all our 50 t0 55 yard targets were 45mm.

They seem to be gradually reducing the targets because both the equipment and the shooters are getting better and better every year. Mark my words, there is going to be a cry for smaller KZ's MUCH futher out in the next couple of years from those that think it is too easy. I seldom ever see a cleaning of a course, anywhere, but this seems to be a regular arguement put forth by some, thinking that courses of fire must never have someone get a 98% score in order to test them. I am speaking about what I see in the UK and the US.

I have never cleaned a course of fire, but I have been close three times in my short FT shooting time. It is that one target that has an extrordinarily great humbling effect on you every time. It is far better to miss that one shot early in the match and then you sit down and get to business for the rest of the match. I have seen a 120 shot course of fire cleaned up to the last shot on the last target. There was a good sized crowd around and they were not the most quiet that they should have been, but the pressure on the shooter for that last clean shot was HUGE (it was an 18 yard .375" KZ to boot). I am sure that the first time I clean a course of fire, my head will need to be forced through the club doorway.

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Common rifles here are the Simple Simon/USFT, Steyr LG 100, AA S300, 400, 410, NJR, Daystate CR97, CRX, in fact, you might see most rifles that heve ever been used as an FT rifle here. Popular springers are the TX 200, HW 97, Whiscombe (2 that we know of), and the Diana 54. Some of the rare exotics may be in the gun racks as I have not seen them out.

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