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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:28 pm 
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Here is a video from a shoot last Sunday, it is at New Kypeside and even I'm in this one... can you pick me out???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjy5-H_1ROU

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:09 pm 
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Looks like a great spot for field target, those shots through the trees and across the stream make for some challenging points with that bit of wind to contend with.....
Thanks for sharing the video Photoguy2910

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:13 pm 
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Not a problem, just thought you would like to see how we do it over here. The wind was "interesting" it was coming down the stream and bouncing off the banks and round trees, so you never knew where to aim... adds to the fun though :rolleyes:

Scottish HFT champs next Sunday, so I will add something else after that too

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:59 pm 
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Excellent video! Thanks for posting....


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:38 pm 
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Photoguy2910 wrote:
Here is a video from a shoot last Sunday, it is at New Kypeside and even I'm in this one... can you pick me out???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjy5-H_1ROU


Great job on the video.

Your shooting area is just beautiful. Here I thought there was no open land left over there, :D

The wind and the long targets change things up entirely. It would be another learning curve for me.

I hope to shoot over there one day, and then drive around Skye.

I might have to catch a regular FT match as I'm not a fan of laying in the dirt, lol.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:26 am 
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Simply amazing! What a totally different style of sport that is when compared to our FT and even our HFT- I don't think the wind plays anywhere near as important a role at our courses as it does in the UK. The countryside is amazing too. One day I'll spend some time over there and do a bit of FT and even HFT shooting..

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:49 am 
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Tom,

This is HFT, the targets are 8-45 yards and killzones are 15-45mm.

The weather really does play a big part here, as you can see in this video, it is quite open and over water... it just adds to the fun though.

CJN.

This isn't really "open land" it belongs to a farmer who lets the club use it, a bit like my clubs ground, we have two area's, one for practice and the competition area which is a small wood. There is a shoot at my club later in the month so I will stick up something from that too.

It would be great to see any of you guys over here, you are more than welcome.

Just a thought... do you think ours looks easier or harder than yours?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:06 am 
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Photoguy2910 wrote:
Just a thought... do you think ours looks easier or harder than yours?


Simple answer: yes, I think yours looks much harder than ours.

I'm a FT shooter, not a HFT shooter, I have absolutely no skill in being able to range find without using my scope. I'm dependent on it in fact, but trying to learn to judge ranges by first using the scope, then looking at the target and making a mental note what that distance looks like.

In the 2 FT clubs that we shoot at, wind doesn't play too big a role on most of the lanes, even with a sub 12ftlb rifle. I'm amazed at the ability to read the wind and adjust your POA accordingly.

On the flip side, we use smaller kill zone sizes, using the following as guidelines for unrestricted shots:

Kill Zone Size Maximum Suggested
in Inches Distance in Yards
0.25 15
0.375 20
0.5 25
0.75 35
1.0 45
1.25 50
1.5 55
1.75 55

For Forced Standing and kneeling we use
1.5 45
1.75 45

So if we force a standing or kneeling shot, the KZ must be at least 1.5" in diameter and cannot be father than 45 yards out. A forced kneeling shot can always be shot from the standing position.

We currently do not have any forced prone shots, as some shooters are physically unable to shoot from this position.

For awhile, we were all using harnesses, but some of us are getting away from them now. The interesting thing is, we're all finding out that we can shoot just as well without them!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:39 am 
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I guess we just get used to the wind here, but it can be fun when it gusts, that way you have no idea where to aim.

I've added out HFT kill zones below, for FT the targets are out to 55 yards and are 45mm too.

I see you're using 0.25" targets... that must be interesting if you shoot .22.

In your HFT, are you aloud to adjust your scope? Here we can't, what it's set at on your first shot is what it has to stay on for the rest of the course, most set it to 25yds paralax and mag 10x.

If you have a look here... http://www.ukahft.co.uk/default.htm ... you will see the way we do HFT, FT should be similar to you...


15-19mm hit zones 13-25y (maximum of 4 targets per course)
20-24mm hit zones 8-30yds
25-34mm hit zones 8-35yds (maximum of 6x 20-34mm hit zone targets per course)
35-45mm hit zones 8-45yds


There will be the following positional shots on each course:


3 x prone only shots using any size hit zone, distances in accordance with the above limits.
2 x supported standing shots, 35-45mm un-obscured hit zones at 8-35yds.
1 x unsupported standing shots, 35-45mm un-obscured hit zone at 8-35yds.
2 x supported kneeling, 35-45mm un-obscured hit zones at 8-35yds
1 x unsupported kneeling shot, 35-45mm un-obscured hit zone at 8-35yds.


(All designated kneeling shots can also be taken standing)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:12 am 
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Photoguy2910 wrote:
I see you're using 0.25" targets... that must be interesting is you shoot .22.

In your HFT, are you aloud to adjust your scope? Here we can't, what it's set at on your first shot is what it has to stay on for the rest of the course, most set it to 25yds paralax and mag 10x.


In our HFT, we are allowed to adjust focus, but the yardage markers are covered. We are also allowed to adjust clicks and magnification level, with the maximum magnification being 16x.

Typically we don't put 1/4" targets out, sometimes none, or perhaps one. Most shooters use .177 cal, but the .22 cal shooters have knocked them over before. This is really a test of how well you know your POI/clicks.

We also have guidelines for the minimum level of energy that the target must fall, which is about 500fps with a 8.44gn pellet at the target. This allows shooters with lower powered rifles to still compete. It's a bit of a balancing act to make sure a 19ftlb face hit doesn't also knock the target over.

But if you're shooting a 19ftlb .22 and you split the 1/4" KZ, there's a chance that enough energy will be transfered to the target paddle to knock it down. Here's where the preference of the course designers come into play: some target designs have a very positive lockup; any force on the face of the target stops the paddle from going over, while other target designs will allow some force on the target face and and still let the paddle be pushed back, so the target falls. SO we can put a 1/4" KZ target that only allows clean hits will knock over, or one that's a bit more forgiving and allows glancing hits to still knock the paddle over, assuming enough energy makes it through.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:07 pm 
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Photoguy2910 wrote:

I see you're using 0.25" targets... that must be interesting if you shoot .22.



Interesting for sure...lol
Here's a pic of a target with 1/4"KZ and pellets in .22 and .177 for comparison ....
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:37 pm 
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Interesting for sure...lol
Here's a pic of a target with 1/4"KZ and pellets in .22 and .177 for comparison ....
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Boy wouldn't this be a duzzer to shoot at 50 yrd or more.....Parker_101_ are you bringing this at the FT Comp at Port Colborne Tomorrow? It would be the Challenge for the final shot if there is ever a tie! :twisted: If my HW100 is that accurate like many claim and my scope if right on.. I would like to give it a try! :rolleyes:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:46 pm 
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"Just a thought... do you think ours looks easier or harder than yours?"

I would have to shoot both to say for sure. As Pirellip noted, there are a number of differences between the two styles. I would say your Hunter FT is harder then our Hunter Division when body position and scope limitations are considered.

For standard FT it would depend on the course and the weather. If a course was set up under standard BFTA match rules, with 25mm targets out no further than 35 yards and not making up more than 25% of the course, and the rest 40-45mm hit zones and if shot on a fairly calm day, I think our courses with a number of 6mm and 9mm hit zones may be a little more difficult. 6mm requires more than just exact ballistics calculation, it requires a completely steady hold. If the wind was up and the majority of targets were placed between 40-55 yards, I would be plenty frustrated, and would like to get back onto one of our courses.


"For awhile, we were all using harnesses, but some of us are getting away from them now. The interesting thing is, we're all finding out that we can shoot just as well without them!"

I'm not sure about this comment, lol. Erroneous on a couple of points :D .

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:19 pm 
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I have found a new love, That's just HFT. Wind is variable AND constant where I come from, so there is no need for the barrel-mounted indicators that are totally allowable here.
Newfoundland is virtually no different than your topography there, coastal, islands & all. That's why i like checking back to see what's going on. That is just ME.
I know how congested things can be in the old-country- and that is a small price to pay to participate in a great sport that you can get to locally, no matter where you live. Even here in Canada.
Keep up the good work posting, & if I'm SUPER-LUCKY , see ya soon. :wink:


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