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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:48 am 
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And I have never heard anyone refer to Schmitt und Bender as "Crap" scopes!


Don't get me wrong - I really like S&B's PMII range, but their attempt at an FT scope failed dismally.

I know of less than 10 people that were actually happy with their S&B FT scopes. The rest all sent them back.... I had 3 - all 3 were terrible and depending on light, would either range a 50m target as 50m, or 56m or 42.5m ????


You are obviously on top of your game in FT. Something I would like to try someday.
I am a retired US Army vet of 5th and 1st Special Forces. We used the equipment we were issued which was the 10X Unertls, stolen from the Marines, on our M21's. I was deadly accurate out to a 1000yds in the prone or sandbagged position. Later we had Leupold's issued on the M24's and on the Barrett 50's.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:33 pm 
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globalstar66 wrote:
I know of less than 10 people that were actually happy with their S&B FT scopes. The rest all sent them back.... I had 3 - all 3 were terrible and depending on light, would either range a 50m target as 50m, or 56m or 42.5m ????


Keyrigger (Don) here was one of the lucky ones with his S&B FT scope. He was offered one of the pre-production ones to test and give feedback one. Works well for him, even in temperature shifts. He bought a 2nd one last year, and I think he's also liking it.

I was tempted to purchase a used one out of the USA for $2,000 last year, but by the time I decided, it was too late.

I hear the PMII are the better scope though, and if I didn't like that FT one, I was going to send it back for a PMII.

Right now I'm playing around with the Leupould Competition 45x - I've had one too many Nikko 10-50x die on my piston rig.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:39 pm 
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One must have to mortgage his house to buy one of these.

Quite impressive.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:23 pm 
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Tom, if only the S&B could rangefind consistently... I LOVED my S&B FT scopes for lens quality, ruggedness and build quality. Loved the silver colour and the weight, and mosy of all, loved the fact that it had almost no eye relief, so I could have my eyes on the same spot every shot. BUT, it just could not consistently rangefind - and that's the most important factor which it missed.

One of my German buddies, Wilhelm Dahm (in the photo below) helped in the development of the S&B FT scope, and his scope also had light sensitivity issues - way more difficult (or almost impossible) to figure out than temp sensitivity....

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Some of them were VERY sensitive to changes in light sensitivity (all 3 mine were like that - it would change the distance when a cloud came overhead), some were very sensitive to changes in temp (this can be managed - see the photos of S&B FT scopes of some of my European friends below), and a few had no issues at all - and if I had one of those few, I would NEVER sell it for any amount of money....

Look at the sidewheels and turret caps - they are SO marked up for when the temps change. Look at Gianni Fabianelli of Italy's foil he put on his, WITH an electronic temperature probe to try and figure out the temp changes. And there were MANY more guys with these very "busy" turrets and sidewheels - I just did not get to take photos of them all... Andras Moro (came 5th in Hungary Worlds in 2010) also had one with about 5 different temp markings for when the temps change...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:18 pm 
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Phenonmenal kit there Robbie! At least I had the pleasure of at least holding that Steyr in my grubby hands for about 5 minutes! :D I also remember your first outing with that S&B at Kroonstad. You still liked it then, but no wonder Lukas beat you that day in the shootout! :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:25 pm 
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Hehehe Deon - you have a good memory. I LOVED those S&B's until I realised it was costing me a LOT of points with mis-ranging. I tried for a long time to convince myself that it was not the scope, but eventually after speaking to so many others in Europe, I gave up on them. :)


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