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 Post subject: muzzle brakes!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:30 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:24 am 
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Let me see if I understand the idea of muzzle breaks, the idea is to provide enough weight to counter act the action of the spring after the trigger is pulled, right?
Which is why we don't see muzzle breaks on powder burners.

I don't believe the idea of a muzzle break is to reduce the report of an airgun. But I suppose you could fabricate one that could do both. However silencers are strictly illegal.

By the way rrdstarr nice fabrication skills.

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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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SureShot wrote:
Which is why we don't see muzzle breaks on powder burners.


You do see muzzle brakes on powder burners. :wink:

Muzzle WEIGHT...harmonic TUNING device. PB and air.

Barrel WEIGHT....harmonic TUNING device. PB and air.

Bloop tube...extends sight radius. Often incorporates an adjustable muzzle weight. PB and air.

Weights are just that...a solid lump on the barrel, the rest of these achieve their function by redirecting or managing the muzzle blast.

Muzzle BRAKE...recoil reduction device. PB and air.

Muzzle COMPENSATOR...reduces muzzle RISE. PB and air.

Air Stripper....strips air from behind the pellet with an adjustable cone and redirects it. An accuracy enhancer. Have never seen one on a pb, although some varietys of muzzle brake can be considered air (gas) strippers as well.

Silencer/moderator/can/LDC/shroud or any other quaint name folks call them...reduce the sound level of the muzzle blast.

Google will provide images of each if a picture is required.

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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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If it reduces the sound of the muzzle blast it is illegal to have, and even worse to produce and/or sell on a public forum...

Calling these things "Quiet Muzzle brakes" just seems like a great way to have muzzle brakes associated with silencers, as you are essentially advertising a MB as a noise reducing device, even to a small extent, just doesn't seem like a real good idea IMO

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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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No! Not that quiet! More like redirected noise Quiet!

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I wouldn't want to be the one having to explain the interpretation of redirected or silenced in a Federal court of law. :wink: Sound suppressors/moderators/silencer are taken very seriously by the law in Canada.

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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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I feel like I say this too much... but ... WTF Canada laws? why no silencers? so we are forced so annoy everybody in earshot whenever we want to shoot? Is some criminal with a mission is gonna see this law and say what "oh i cant buy a silencer? guess i cant do all that illegal stuff i was gonna do"

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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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Thenooblord wrote:
I feel like I say this too much... but ... WTF Canada laws? why no silencers? so we are forced so annoy everybody in earshot whenever we want to shoot? Is some criminal with a mission is gonna see this law and say what "oh i cant buy a silencer? guess i cant do all that illegal stuff i was gonna do"


Here's a group trying to change the legislation

http://members.shaw.ca/cronhelm/Images/ ... essors.pdf

The
current
law
in
Canada
The
current
law
restricting
sound
suppressors
in
Canada
is
badly
written
and
extremely
vague.

The
law

currently
classifies
a
sound
suppressor
as
a
“prohibited
device”
which
is
defined
as,
“(c)
a
device
or

contrivance
designed
or
intended
to
muffle
or
stop
the
sound
or
report
of
a
firearm.”

(Criminal
Code,
Part

III,
84(1)
http://laws‐lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C‐46/FullText.html
)
The
problems
with
this
law
are
considerable.

For
example
it
does
not
specifically
state
that
the
sound

deadening
device
must
actually
be
attached
to
the
firearm.

The
law
also
does
not
specify
a
decibel
reduction

at
which
a
device
can
be
considered
to
be
a
sound
suppressor.

That
means
a
single
decibel
reduction
can

result
in
any
device
being
classed
as
a
silencer,
even
though
sound
measurements
can
vary
by
several

decibels
over
a
variety
of
shots
and
will
certainly
vary
from
day
to
day.

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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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Anybody familiar with muzzle brakes on powder burners knows that they increase the perceived volume of a muzzle blast in the attempt to reduce recoil or muzzle flip/rise. This is largely because the gases are directed somewhat to the side of the line of fire, instead of directly away from the shooter.

In my mind, a quiet muzzle brake would be one that doesn't have this increase in perceived volume. That's all. But i question the effectiveness as a muzzle brake if all the gases appear to be moving forward, as in the pictured designs. They look cool, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:27 pm 
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Okay. Bad NAME!
Could we have the moderators DELETE THIS THREAD! I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A MUZZLE BRAKE THAT DIRECTED THE SOUND AWAY FROM THE OPERATOR FOR INDOOR SHOOTING!!! I WAS BEING A LITTLE CHEEKY LAST NIGHT, NOT TRYING TO START A WAR!!!!

BTW! they do work in forcing the sound forward, not back at you like a conventional brake!

Ugh!

BTW Vais has sold these for years as a muzzle brake! FROM BROWNELLS!
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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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rrdstarr wrote:
No! Not that quiet! More like redirected noise Quiet!
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Very Nice!!! I'll take 2! :D


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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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rrdstarr wrote:
BTW Vais has sold these for years as a muzzle brake! FROM BROWNELLS!
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I actually like the one you made better cuz it tappers to the barrel
5th from the left
is yours also drilled in the front like the pic above ?


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This is about half of what I offer.
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 Post subject: Re: Quiet muzzle brakes!
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A sound redirecting muzzle brake would be great for indoors, I expect. What I need is FOR the illegal type, to be made legal. That would kill both birds with one tool.

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 Post subject: Re: muzzle brakes!
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I agree, the laws about sound moderators is absolutely stupid!

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 Post subject: Re: muzzle brakes!
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What if you use an airsoft mock suppressor and you installed it on a non pal rifle, is this illegal, since both can be bought legally?


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 Post subject: Re: muzzle brakes!
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trickster2000 wrote:
What if you use an airsoft mock suppressor and you installed it on a non pal rifle, is this illegal, since both can be bought legally?


No. It is not illegal. It must lower the report to be prohibited.


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