Canadian Airgun Forum

The #1 Community for Airguns in Canada!
It is currently Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:58 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours


The Canadian Airgun Forums are a place for people to discuss and learn about airguns and the airgunning sport in Canada. There are lots of discussions about airguns, airgun accessories, reviews, modification and repair information, airgun events, field target and free classifieds!

 

You need to register before you can post: click the register link to proceed. Before you register, please read the forum rules. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own pictures, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free! To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.








Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:46 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:59 am
Posts: 3
I have a Canadian version at 495fps and wondering if anyone has done mods to increase the fps. I have my PAL so it's legal for me. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:43 pm
Posts: 545
Location: British Columbia
for whats its worth...
considering the cost to get any parts... (if any are available)
and an $89.00 rifle...

wouldnt it be easier aswel as cheaper to just buy a 625fps m4177 from pyramid?

_________________

Blackhawk w/6x32 bugbuster
PRO77 ~ Rebuilt
M4177 TAC (4x32 scope, Laser sight, Flashlight)
Steel storm SMG
MP5 k-PDW SMG TAC (Shoulder strap & 1x30 RDS)
357-Six with custom wood grips
C31
GSG92 - Stripped & Polished


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:23 pm
Posts: 3067
Location: Northern Ontario
Its a Crosman 760 in a new shell.
You can get mod parts at scopes and ammo.

_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:15 am
Posts: 3582
Location: Edmonton
M4177 wrote:
for whats its worth...
considering the cost to get any parts... (if any are available)
and an $89.00 rifle...

wouldnt it be easier aswel as cheaper to just buy a 625fps m4177 from pyramid?


Pyramid won't sell you one. :cry:

$0,00


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:58 am
Posts: 147
Location: Kebekistan
HPA kit for it would be nice :shock: :supz: :prayer:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:22 pm
Posts: 2394
Location: Stavely, Alberta
ktmrider wrote:
HPA kit for it would be nice :shock: :supz: :prayer:


Crosman make a PCP conversion kit for the M4-177 although, If memory serves it is pretty pricey :(

DaveD :D

_________________

"To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth." ~ Theodore Roosevelt


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:43 pm
Posts: 545
Location: British Columbia
why wouldnt Pyramid sell you a PAL rated gun if you had a valid PAL?
or is this a USA/Canada policy?

_________________

Blackhawk w/6x32 bugbuster
PRO77 ~ Rebuilt
M4177 TAC (4x32 scope, Laser sight, Flashlight)
Steel storm SMG
MP5 k-PDW SMG TAC (Shoulder strap & 1x30 RDS)
357-Six with custom wood grips
C31
GSG92 - Stripped & Polished


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:16 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:58 am
Posts: 147
Location: Kebekistan
blade57 wrote:
ktmrider wrote:
HPA kit for it would be nice :shock: :supz: :prayer:


Crosman make a PCP conversion kit for the M4-177 although, If memory serves it is pretty pricey :(

DaveD :D



over 600$ for convertion kit :rolleyes:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:46 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:15 am
Posts: 3582
Location: Edmonton
M4177 wrote:
why wouldnt Pyramid sell you a PAL rated gun if you had a valid PAL?
or is this a USA/Canada policy?


Recently US air gun suppliers such as Pyramid (arguably the biggest in the US) have been granted the privilege of submitting their products' specifications to Canadian Customs for pre-approval. If their specs match those of CC, and they meet the standards of being non-firearms according to the Firearms Act (primarily less than 500 fps), then they can ship freely to Canada, knowing that the approved guns will reach their customers (perhaps with additional charges such as custom fees, HST, GST, provincial taxes, etc.). American dealers said. "thumbs up," and continue to seek pre-approval as new products come in and older, not-so-popular products are added to the list. In a matter of a few months, Pyramid moved from dozens of approved products to hundreds of them. You can identify these products now by the "Ships to Canada" banner at the top of the description page.

Now that many sites have these assurances from CC, that's what they sell (confidently) to Canadians. Anything rated over 500 fps, including rifles, are not available to us. Pistols over 500fps (restricted weapons in Canada) are automatically off the list, as are rifles (non-restricted devices) over 500 fps, that could be shipped, but require extensive paperwork and intervention by CC to ensure that the gun reaches a properly licensed Canadian. Neither want to go through that hassle, so some sort of peace between the lands has been established" We won't slow down or stop their approved shipments, and they will not hassle CC with exceptions.

This is why you see several US sites now offering shipments to Canada. But they all must go through their own pre-approval process. Air guns approved for Pyramid, are NOT automatically approved for Airgun Depot, for example. Pyramid was on top of it from the get-go. I believe I reported this on other threads on this site as I followed them through the process several months ago.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:49 am
Posts: 6029
Location: Victoria, BC and Clarkston, WA
Nice to know Murray!

THANKS!

_________________
-Rick
Pardini K10
Brocock Concept .22
3 Custom Crosman 2260
Benjamin Discovery .22 w/Joe Hickey stock!
Crosman 150 pistol .22
4 Crosman MK 1 pistol .22
Mrodair CP-1M .22 and .177


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:23 pm
Posts: 3067
Location: Northern Ontario
blade57 wrote:
ktmrider wrote:
HPA kit for it would be nice :shock: :supz: :prayer:


Crosman make a PCP conversion kit for the M4-177 although, If memory serves it is pretty pricey :(

DaveD :D


The conversion kit is for an AR15, not the 760 bb gun in an AR shell.
Its a PCP upper that mounts to an AR lower. Its a restricted weapon in Canada.

_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:18 pm
Posts: 559
Location: near Ottawa
Go over 500fps and the RCMP considers it a variant of the M16 and a restricted firearm. I previously post the FRT info on this gun.

_________________
Posting from the edge of the Larose Forest

CFSC/CRFSC Instructor


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:23 pm
Posts: 3067
Location: Northern Ontario
dhb wrote:
Go over 500fps and the RCMP considers it a variant of the M16 and a restricted firearm. I previously post the FRT info on this gun.


There is absolutely no way to justify calling the crosman M4-177 a variant of the M16.
If they are really claiming that, they would loose in court. It shares NO parts. The M4-177 shares parts with the 760.

If it was a M16 variant, it would be restricted even if it did not exceed 500 fps, as the receiver of a restricted weapon, is always a restricted part.

_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:18 pm
Posts: 559
Location: near Ottawa
I'm just saying how they have classified it - not that the classification makes sense.

_________________
Posting from the edge of the Larose Forest

CFSC/CRFSC Instructor


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crosman M4-177 mods
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:23 pm
Posts: 3067
Location: Northern Ontario
Are you sure you are not thinking of the MAR177 PCP Conversion Kit that mounts to a restricted AR lower ?
If the PAL version of the M4-177 is restricted, based on it being a AR variant, the non-pal version would be restricted as well as it has the same "receiver".

_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
News News Site map Site map SitemapIndex SitemapIndex RSS Feed RSS Feed Channel list Channel list

Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group

phpBB SEO