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 Post subject: homemade
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:13 pm 
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wondering about designing an airgun with maximum damage in mind.

full-auto is illegal even with AG's, right?

is there a limit as to how many projectiles a gun can fire at once?

what if there was a gun with several barrels, each holding a pellet....
fed by the same air source so that all barrels need to be loaded for it to fire (and the power couldnt be all directed into one barrel)

and then what if those barrels each had revolver clips for semi-auto?

if the thing could fire 10, 22cal pellets at once, each at 495, with 10 shot clips and semi-atuo.....

could that not do devestating amounts of damage while staying non-pal?

or what about spring-fed bb mags, with blowback... so it could fire 10 bb's at once, 30 times in a row?

also, what if 30 bb's came from the same barrel at once?
does them being lined up single file in a 177 barrel, make it an automatic?

if there were a shotgun design, where 30 bb's come out at once (similar to birdshot), how would one test it for fps and fpe? can that be chrony'd?

if 30 bb's come out at a fps that is above 500 but each bb is below the fpe threshold, is that non-pal? or do the fpe of each bb get added and the sum applied to the threshold?


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 Post subject: Re: homemade
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:20 pm 
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You're kidding right?.... IMO, yes, they would total the individual energies of multiple projectiles to calculate the FPE, or simply use a different projectile of their choice.... Set up a gun to fire 10 BBs simultaneously at 495 fps, they load two, and it shoots 1000 fps and over 4.2 FPE total and you're screwed....

I haven't a clue what the law is regarding full auto in Canada.... As a rough rule of thumb, try pushing the law too far, and they won't feel the least guilty about pushing back....

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 Post subject: Re: homemade
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:23 pm 
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rsterne wrote:
You're kidding right?.... IMO, yes, they would total the individual energies of multiple projectiles to calculate the FPE, or simply use a different projectile of their choice.... Set up a gun to fire 10 BBs simultaneously at 495 fps, they load two, and it shoots 1000 fps and over 4.2 FPE total and you're screwed....

I haven't a clue what the law is regarding full auto in Canada.... As a rough rule of thumb, try pushing the law too far, and they won't feel the least guilty about pushing back....

Bob


if there was 10 barrels each with a bb, and you only put a bb in 2.... all the air would go out the other 8 barrels, and it wouldnt fire.
ive allready thought of that so the gun would be incapable of directing all energy into one barrel.

and no im not kidding. im also not working on my patent application, just brainstorming because im a dreamer.


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 Post subject: Re: homemade
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:32 pm 
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also, what if 30 bb's came from the same barrel at once?
does them being lined up single file in a 177 barrel, make it an automatic?

if there were a shotgun design, where 30 bb's come out at once (similar to birdshot), how would one test it for fps and fpe? can that be chrony'd?

if 30 bb's come out at a fps that is above 500 but each bb is below the fpe threshold, is that non-pal? or do the fpe of each bb get added and the sum applied to the threshold?


The above half of your post says one barrel, and that is what I addressed.... Spending more time on this post is IMO a waste of time, yours, and certainly mine....

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 Post subject: Re: homemade
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rsterne wrote:
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also, what if 30 bb's came from the same barrel at once?
does them being lined up single file in a 177 barrel, make it an automatic?

if there were a shotgun design, where 30 bb's come out at once (similar to birdshot), how would one test it for fps and fpe? can that be chrony'd?

if 30 bb's come out at a fps that is above 500 but each bb is below the fpe threshold, is that non-pal? or do the fpe of each bb get added and the sum applied to the threshold?


The above half of your post says one barrel, and that is what I addressed.... Spending more time on this post is IMO a waste of time, yours, and certainly mine....

Bob


so move on to a more rewarding thread.

im fine discussing my wild concepts, hopefully somebody else finds them half-interesting as well.

but ya... i spose lining them up single file to max out 495 would mean loading just one would put me way over.
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 Post subject: Re: homemade
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:56 pm 
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Full auto non pal is fine. See the Drozd, steel storm or steel force.

You can get bb miniguns, I think that would be what you are looking for.
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 Post subject: Re: homemade
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Seems to be a max of 6 shot burst, leading me to wonder if it's a legislated max


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 Post subject: Re: homemade
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I doubt its legal in Canada but full auto has been done i have seen several versions. 8)
here is a pellet gun and paintball gun mix.

http://savethegun.wordpress.com/2011/04 ... ellet-gun/

also check out the Evanix Conquest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Gjnbzy4WA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBIFFGQRB0A


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 Post subject: Re: homemade
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popcanhunter wrote:
Seems to be a max of 6 shot burst, leading me to wonder if it's a legislated max


6 shot burst is due to the mfg worrying about loss of power/freeze up with co2.
Full auto is anything that fires more than once when you pull the trigger.

Carnival shooting star guns are full auto.

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 Post subject: Re: homemade
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oh wow, so if i had an air pig strapped to my back, and a gravity fed 20,000rd mag, i could let em all fly with one pull?


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