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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:54 am 
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[quote="saltydog3317"]Lots of help guys. I am leaning towards the TX200 I think. I will have to learn to put up with the clacking of the bear trap I guess. Now, who has the best prices or deals so to speak.

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Kevin, the TX200 MKIII is an really great rifle as is the HW97k. I have owned both in the last 12 months (and sold both having decided to stick with PCP's)..

The TX was super Pellet Fussy and would only group well with heavy Crosman Premier Domed pellets. Having said that, I found the HW to be just a touch more consistant.

In the "Fit & Finish" catagory, the TX had it hands down. Not a great concern if you are going to look upon the gun as a.tool.

Personally, I regret selling my HW97k almost every day. My TX200, not so much.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:57 pm 
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I know a member here who is VERY happy you sold the HW97.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:16 pm 
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I have read that the HW97 needs to be tuned out of the box and that the TX200 is ready to go out of the box. I am not comfortable taking a gun apart and know nothing about tuning. I am leaning more towards the TX200 for the reason that out of the box there is less that has to be done to it.
Maybe I should look at someone tuning a HW97 for me??

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:08 pm 
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My TX had been tuned in the US with a 12 fpe Vortek kit. Super smooth shot cycle.

My HW97K was bog stock out of the box.

I could hit anything with the HW97K.

If I were in your position now, I would buy the HW97 in .177 and send it to Leonard Joy in Ontario to be tuned. put a half descent scope on it and provided you did your part, you would have a winner.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:33 pm 
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saltydog3317 wrote:
I have read that the HW97 needs to be tuned out of the box and that the TX200 is ready to go out of the box. I am not comfortable taking a gun apart and know nothing about tuning. I am leaning more towards the TX200 for the reason that out of the box there is less that has to be done to it.
Maybe I should look at someone tuning a HW97 for me??

Kevin

Either gun will work fine. Don't worry too much about tuning. I don't think too many airgunners buy a 97 and say "Boy, this gun sure could use a tune to be a good one." It's probably like buying a fancy sports car and saying "I've got to get it into the shop to tweak a few more horses out of it and make the suspension just a wee bit better." Sure the ultimate is nice to have, but the majority of drivers (and shooters) can really get a lot (and more) out of the stock product.
I have the HW97 and the TX200, and I can say that I have never felt that the 97 was at any disadvantage to the TX in the way it shoots.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:03 pm 
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Great comment Penage. most of us think/wish that we can get more out of our quality rifles by having them "tune" professionally. The gun is as accurate as your ability in executing the shot. Both guns are very well made and "accurate" out of the box. As in the case of HW, a tune to remove the "twang" sound is often necessary. ultimately, it is up to you to make that perfect shot time after time thru endless hours of practice. A perfectly tuned gun in the hands of a bad shooter will not yield the result.

shoot, shoot and shoot some more. just my 0.2. Also, there are lots of info here that you can read for a DIY and IMO, you will get the most satisfaction in getting the result you seek from your own DIY tune.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:25 pm 
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For world class piston FT shooters the tx200 is the more popular of the two.
All serious FT shooters will have tuned guns. Spring, guide, seal and many piston replacment. Add to that trigger work or replacment and then aftermarket stock.
The difference between a stock gun and tuned 12ft lb is night and day. 12 ft lb of energy is the max allowed for world spring divison so tuning is required.
I like the internal build quality of the tx best. The modular disign of the tx makes it easier to work on. I prefer the trigger setup on the tx better. I feel the tx is more streamlined fit and finish.
That said both are high quality and both shoot really well. Buy both....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:29 am 
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Ive been waiting to shoot the HW97 for some time, just to rest my curiosity about this rifle especially after reading and hearing so many good things about it.
Well last night i got to do just that :D , I was at a friend house and he has an HW97 with the synthetic stock, my first impression was wow... 8) even though its not the wooden stock version it still had a very nice appeal to it, and you can just tell its a well built rifle.

I found the rifle to be a little on the heavy side, but he did have a very big scope on it so I'm sure that added some wight to it, the rifle is super accurate that is no lie and i must commend :D , but my first shot with it really shocked me i wasn't expecting as much recoil as i encountered :( especially after hearing so much about the HW97. He also had the Rowan trigger blade and i wasn't to impressed with the trigger pull on it as well, i was told the HW97 has a world class trigger on it well I'm not so sure about world class, it probably just needed some good adjustment and fine tuning but the pull was long and with a stiff breaking point. :(

I guess shooting at 930fps and being a springer with no recoil and twang was wishful thinking on my part. :(

I must say again it is super accurate, i was putting pellet on pellet with no problem even with the surprising bit of recoil and very little twang.

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To repeat what I wrote above...there is no comparison between a stock 97 or 200 and a tuned one. They shine when shooting 8g pellets in the high 700 fps with a fitted and properly lubed spring/guide combination. And the factory triggers can be set up VERY light and release very well. These changes are super easy to do and the results are amazing. Night and day difcerence.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:06 pm 
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To repeat what I wrote above...there is no comparison between a stock 97 or 200 and a tuned one. They shine when shooting 8g pellets in the high 700 fps with a fitted and properly lubed spring/guide combination. And the factory triggers can be set up VERY light and release very well. These changes are super easy to do and the results are amazing. Night and day difcerence.

A few years back, I had an opportunity to pick up a TX200 MKII that was in really nice shape and was bone stock. It was shooting the 8.4 JSBs at about 905 fps and I thought it shot well.

I decide to have the gun tuned down to the 12 ft/lb to comply with WFTF standards. I was fortunate enough to be able to sit down with CJN and see what was involved in the tune. Chris was very thorough in cleaning the old lubes off the removed parts and the tube. He looked at the parts that came out of the gun and picked a top hat, spring and guide that would reduce the power by the desired amount. The guide was carefully fitted to the spring to be snug, but not tight. A seal was then chosen that seemed to be the correct fit for the tube. Chris has his own brew of lubes and certainly does not over lube like some who keep putting heavy tar until it is smooth. The gun has a very satisfying clunk when shot, with no buzz or harshness. Chris adjusted the trigger to be very crisp and light. I was a happy camper.

A few months back, I was finally able to pick up a Macarri FT stock that I have been looking for since I picked the gun up a few years ago. With some advice from George on how to properly tighten the action into the stock, I now have a gun that I am prepared to shoot in a FT match. As some have mentioned, now the work has to do with the shooter and is the most important work to be done in my opinion. For many years I have competed with pcp rifles and I have some learning needed for shooting the TX accurately. Even now, when I do my part, I am very impressed with the gun's accuracy. When I do not do my part, the gun shows me immediately. I am working on consistency in my hold and shot release and I am making more good shots than so-so shots now. Where the tuned gun and great stock really shine, for me, is when I shoot it standing and kneeling; it just fits and feels better, which of course translates to more accuracy.

About 12 or so years back, I sat down with George to tune my Pro Sport and learned a great deal at that time. I think George would be the first to agree, that over those 12 years, the technology and tuning methods have come a long way. George has been a perennial top ten finisher at the World match for a decade and a half and never claims to have it all figured out. He learns and applies what he learns to his rig and shooting style every year. Like any other sport where technology continually changes, staying informed and being willing to change with the times gives a high level shooter, like George, a chance to be at the top of the game.

I am really grateful to Chris and George for the parts they have played in my learning and in the tuning of my spring guns.

Could this all have been accomplished with an HW97? I firmly believe that it could.

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Hi, I can only say good things about both thses two rifles. I personally own a TX 200 Hunter Mark III. I love mine. A friend helped me cut the spring, and now it shoots 795 on a nice warm day. I love it . If I ever have to buy another TX I'll do it in a heart beat.

I hop ethis helps.

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If you can wait until the first FT shoot of the season, you can try my WH97KT and BJP's TX...

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:10 pm 
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CJN wrote:
To repeat what I wrote above...there is no comparison between a stock 97 or 200 and a tuned one. They shine when shooting 8g pellets in the high 700 fps with a fitted and properly lubed spring/guide combination. And the factory triggers can be set up VERY light and release very well. These changes are super easy to do and the results are amazing. Night and day difcerence.


CJN , I would like to know what is a VERY light trigger weight, I am not clear on this point..Thanks

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CJN , I would like to know what is a VERY light trigger weight, I am not clear on this point..Thanks


They can be set to around 4oz and still have a predictable 1st and 2nd stage. If you'd like less, and still have a predictable trigger, it'll have to be a single stage.

With a 2 stage trigger, people often have a tough time feeling the 2nd stage with anything less than 8oz.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:54 pm 
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I know everyone has a different opinion on single or double stage triggers. Match guns and match guns only I like single. My target powderburner rifles were about 4ounce.
Hunting rifles about 4lbs. sometimes using gloves.
Hunting shotguns and trap guns are 2 lbs.
All were single stage and very short.

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