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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:16 pm 
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Thanks for all the advice guys. I think I have settled on a Weihrauch HW97K and I am pretty sure the Hawke Sidewinder 8X32X56 will be the scope I purchase. Now, I have to wait until D&L get their Weihrauch order in which they hope will be in March sometime. They seem to have the best prices as far as I can tell.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:40 pm 
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i read this thread from start to finish and seen it go up, down and sideways, i'm putting my two cents here as i will certainly buy the 97 soon, everything said here got me worried, i'm NOT buying a gun almost 700 $ to have taken apart and tuned, for that price, it should already be like that, but...

it was said the 34 was hold sensitive, Mr Eutsler and Mr Gaylord seem to think so, ok it might be a little like that, but you should see the retarded groups i'm getting, could it be better if tuned....sure, but the product out of the box has nothing to be ashamed of, so i'm not going to tinker with it because its good the way it is.

i suspect the same is true for the 97, could be made to be better(isn't that true of everything), but great the way it is, or am i wrong

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:58 pm 
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robipaul wrote:
i read this thread from start to finish and seen it go up, down and sideways, i'm putting my two cents here as i will certainly buy the 97 soon, everything said here got me worried, i'm NOT buying a gun almost 700 $ to have taken apart and tuned, for that price, it should already be like that, but...

it was said the 34 was hold sensitive, Mr Eutsler and Mr Gaylord seem to think so, ok it might be a little like that, but you should see the retarded groups i'm getting, could it be better if tuned....sure, but the product out of the box has nothing to be ashamed of, so i'm not going to tinker with it because its good the way it is.

i suspect the same is true for the 97, could be made to be better(isn't that true of everything), but great the way it is, or am i wrong

I wouldn't worry, robipaul. The HW97 is a great gun out of the box. So, too, is the TX200, and the HW77k -- another good choice for Field Target. Some guys aren't going to be satisfied until they've wrung every possible measure of "improvement" out of an airgun, and if that means spending $100 to $150 plus on a "tune kit", even more on the obligatory Rowan trigger (or whatever), a top-of-the-line scope that should cost at least $500 (or a certain percentage of the price of the gun), a gun level, a customized stock and maybe more, then so be it. They do that because they clearly have an appetite for "upgrades," and they will always insist that it's worth it. That's fine. Maybe a Vortek kit, for example, offers some degree of improvement. It costs about $100. That's after it is purchased by a Canadian dealer who then resells it. So what's it cost the manufacturer? Fifty dollars? Sixty? What would it cost Weihrauch to build and install the same kind of "stuff" that is in the Vortek kit? Fifty dollars? Sixty? Less? If Weihrauch did, then they could say they are selling a "tuned" rifle, no? But they don't do that. Perhaps they don't do that in order to keep costs down in a competitive airgun market. I'm thinking they don't do that because it's not as necessary as some people think. The HW97 is a great gun as it is. Maybe a tune kit (and if you must have one, the V-Mach Tuning Kit seems to make more sense) adds some improvement to the gun -- but it's an improvement to an already great gun. Most of us airgun shooters will never find ourselves in the rarified levels of shooting that we are held back in any meaningful way with an HW97k that comes to us as is out of the box.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:47 pm 
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Penage Guy wrote:
robipaul wrote:
i read this thread from start to finish and seen it go up, down and sideways, i'm putting my two cents here as i will certainly buy the 97 soon, everything said here got me worried, i'm NOT buying a gun almost 700 $ to have taken apart and tuned, for that price, it should already be like that, but...

it was said the 34 was hold sensitive, Mr Eutsler and Mr Gaylord seem to think so, ok it might be a little like that, but you should see the retarded groups i'm getting, could it be better if tuned....sure, but the product out of the box has nothing to be ashamed of, so i'm not going to tinker with it because its good the way it is.

i suspect the same is true for the 97, could be made to be better(isn't that true of everything), but great the way it is, or am i wrong

I wouldn't worry, robipaul. The HW97 is a great gun out of the box. So, too, is the TX200, and the HW77k -- another good choice for Field Target. Some guys aren't going to be satisfied until they've wrung every possible measure of "improvement" out of an airgun, and if that means spending $100 to $150 plus on a "tune kit", even more on the obligatory Rowan trigger (or whatever), a top-of-the-line scope that should cost at least $500 (or a certain percentage of the price of the gun), a gun level, a customized stock and maybe more, then so be it. They do that because they clearly have an appetite for "upgrades," and they will always insist that it's worth it. That's fine. Maybe a Vortek kit, for example, offers some degree of improvement. It costs about $100. That's after it is purchased by a Canadian dealer who then resells it. So what's it cost the manufacturer? Fifty dollars? Sixty? What would it cost Weihrauch to build and install the same kind of "stuff" that is in the Vortek kit? Fifty dollars? Sixty? Less? If Weihrauch did, then they could say they are selling a "tuned" rifle, no? But they don't do that. Perhaps they don't do that in order to keep costs down in a competitive airgun market. I'm thinking they don't do that because it's not as necessary as some people think. The HW97 is a great gun as it is. Maybe a tune kit (and if you must have one, the V-Mach Tuning Kit seems to make more sense) adds some improvement to the gun -- but it's an improvement to an already great gun. Most of us airgun shooters will never find ourselves in the rarified levels of shooting that we are held back in any meaningful way with an HW97k that comes to us as is out of the box.


don't think i could have put it better myself, what you said truly expresses my point of view, good gun as is, tune it if you want, but good as is......i'm sold

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:22 pm 
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Really, does everyone have to get along and agree on everything?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:34 pm 
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saltydog3317 wrote:
Really, does everyone have to get along and agree on everything?


unsettling, isn't it :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:53 pm 
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saltydog3317 wrote:
Really, does everyone have to get along and agree on everything?

The title of the thread indicates an interest in field target, right? Field target guys gave some pretty good answers based on experience with the guns mentioned and on their experience in FT.

As usual, you have to go through responses and consider if the information given is appropriate to the question asked and if it is based on real life experience that also applies to the question. Always lots of opinions, but read carefully. Ft guys generally want to promote the sport of FT and get the best for folks, not sell guns for themselves or some business or justify their choice of guns. The happier someone is with their choice, the more likely they are to use the gun in the sport.

Many of the FT guys have made mistakes and bad choices and are happy to help others avoid them. Is buying and using one of the real nice guns mentioned just as it comes out of the box wrong? No. Just keep an open mind to the possibility that down the road a ways, you may want to do some things that will improve its performance.

So based on advice and research you have done, get yourself a gun, good scope, some quality pellets and start down the road yourself. Within a few years, you will be helping others make these decisions.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:03 pm 
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Mac wrote:
saltydog3317 wrote:
Really, does everyone have to get along and agree on everything?

The title of the thread indicates an interest in field target, right? Field target guys gave some pretty good answers based on experience with the guns mentioned and on their experience in FT.

As usual, you have to go through responses and consider if the information given is appropriate to the question asked and if it is based on real life experience that also applies to the question. Always lots of opinions, but read carefully. Ft guys generally want to promote the sport of FT and get the best for folks, not sell guns for themselves or some business or justify their choice of guns. The happier someone is with their choice, the more likely they are to use the gun in the sport.

Many of the FT guys have made mistakes and bad choices and are happy to help others avoid them. Is buying and using one of the real nice guns mentioned just as it comes out of the box wrong? No. Just keep an open mind to the possibility that down the road a ways, you may want to do some things that will improve its performance.

So based on advice and research you have done, get yourself a gun, good scope, some quality pellets and start down the road yourself. Within a few years, you will be helping others make these decisions.


That advice is about as good as it gets from a someone who actually shoots competetively as opposed to shooters who seem to do little more than plinking.

My HW97K was a great shooter "Out of the Box" however I would not have given great odds on competing seriously without a few so called "upgrades" in order to improve it's handling and consistency.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:43 pm 
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If you buy "A" gun and it doesn`t do "It" for you , the worst that can happen is that you sell it for a minor loss.

Then you go on to the next.

I owned 2 before ending up with my favourite.. ..

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:12 pm 
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blade57 wrote:
Mac wrote:
saltydog3317 wrote:
Really, does everyone have to get along and agree on everything?

The title of the thread indicates an interest in field target, right? Field target guys gave some pretty good answers based on experience with the guns mentioned and on their experience in FT.

As usual, you have to go through responses and consider if the information given is appropriate to the question asked and if it is based on real life experience that also applies to the question. Always lots of opinions, but read carefully. Ft guys generally want to promote the sport of FT and get the best for folks, not sell guns for themselves or some business or justify their choice of guns. The happier someone is with their choice, the more likely they are to use the gun in the sport.

Many of the FT guys have made mistakes and bad choices and are happy to help others avoid them. Is buying and using one of the real nice guns mentioned just as it comes out of the box wrong? No. Just keep an open mind to the possibility that down the road a ways, you may want to do some things that will improve its performance.

So based on advice and research you have done, get yourself a gun, good scope, some quality pellets and start down the road yourself. Within a few years, you will be helping others make these decisions.


That advice is about as good as it gets from a someone who actually shoots competetively as opposed to shooters who seem to do little more than plinking.

My HW97K was a great shooter "Out of the Box" however I would not have given great odds on competing seriously without a few so called "upgrades" in order to improve it's handling and consistency.

DaveD :D

Indeed, it is those like blade57 and Mac who demand the most from their rifles that are at rarefied levels of shooting. They have gained their wisdom through long experience. At the other end of the spectrum are those "who seem to do little more than plinking". In between these two levels are a good number of shooters who have a serious interest in shooting well without all the bells and whistles.


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I owned 2 before ending up with my favourite.. ..

and that would be what ?

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Penage Guy wrote:
In between these two levels are a good number of shooters who have a serious interest in shooting well without all the bells and whistles.

Speaking of bells a whistles!

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/me ... +HW+97K+FT

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:08 pm 
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Ace wrote:
newlife wrote:
I owned 2 before ending up with my favourite.. ..

and that would be what ?



HW97K, .177

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:10 pm 
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Mac wrote:
Penage Guy wrote:
In between these two levels are a good number of shooters who have a serious interest in shooting well without all the bells and whistles.

Speaking of bells a whistles!

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/me ... +HW+97K+FT

Those are impressive additions! Thanks, Mac.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:07 pm 
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He may have done allot of upgrades to that gun and I am sure it is amazing but I would not be caught dead with such an ugly gun. It looks like its from Star Wars. Why are guns looking space age now anyway?

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